To be upset that toddlers and babies are being subjected to this.

[flashbac]

This is abuse. What kind of parent takes their baby to a show like this?

Hmm, I think this one was actually sarcastic, in response to perennially disappointing Billy Bragg.

I can answer that,

Because over in fwr where most of these types of conversation is being had ( I mean breaking down of boundaries or grooming ) there are some (ok quite a lot) of threads on men being allowed into womens spaces ( prisons, sports, hospital wards etc) or trans women if you will.
So as talking about these men is considered "a bad thing" we are constantly inundated with cries of transphobia. Matters not at all if the thread is actually about men or trans women, they come to try shut us up. Often.

I didnt think this thread would last long out of fwr, I was wrong, now maybe some of you will come over to the dark side and have a gander at our best threads.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights

@Cailin66 I dont want to ban the shows! Adults should be free to see whatever they like. I just think they are highly inappropriate for children and I dont understand why you would subject your child to something overtly sexual

You could be correct.

There are currently people who think that they shouldn't be insulted , only be insulting, when looking at safeguarding and that I should have doors smashed in my face for the crime of going to my MP and safeguarding single sex spaces when they were too scared, selfish or lazy to do so themselves or were not paying attention as they were too ablivious. Apparently they think that they are morally superior to me too.

We already know from No outsiders in Birmingham who wins.

twitter.com/LadyRoseofWales/status/1631997341858250753

There are currently people who think that they shouldn't be insulted , only be insulting, when looking at safeguarding and that I should have doors smashed in my face for the crime of going to my MP and safeguarding single sex spaces when they were too scared, selfish or lazy to do so themselves or were not paying attention as they were too ablivious. Apparently they think that they are morally superior to me too.

Again, I have to ask what this has to do with working mothers?
I'm a working mother. I'm gender critical and I advocate for single sex spaces. In fact, I'm very passionate about the issue specifically from a safeguarding perspective.

No one said you should have a door "smashed" in your face. They said it should be "shut" in your face. Which is an act of rudeness not violence.

Anyone who agrees this is OK are people I no longer associate with. That's how strongly I feel about it. Absolutely sick.
Some lady on GB news was defending it all the other day and it just made me rage. Sick in the head to be honest.

I think people who disagree with shows like this need to start speaking up. At the moment the 15% who are OK with it are a very loud minority who are riding high on the fact that many people are too scared to object publicly.

Can we please stop with the 'smashing people's faces' nonsense? I don't know what the intention here is, but no one has mentioned this violence, no one here would ever consider physically injuring anyone regardless of what views they hold, and it's a revolting, unnecessarily dramatic image.

Actually this thread is quite unusual.

On previous threads in AIBU where DQST or men being paraded around IKEA in bondage wear there have been some usual suspects who have popped in to tell us we are all pearl clutching bigots.

Do even those posters think this crosses a line?

I think it was slammed but in no way did I take it to mean the poster wanted the door to connect with Sunshinesallmine’s face.

No you misunderstood me, I didn't think you wanted anything banned. I don't care what consenting adults spend their money on. So I fully agree with you.

It's the grooming of children that is shocking. From Rainbow Dildo Monkey, to the Pride parades where grown adults dress in very sexually explicit outfits, with children present but at least there as a parent I can choose not to go, while I support the Pride itself fully. To the idea that men dressed up in carictures of women can go into libraries wearing sexual outfits, I'd don't mind a panto dame style, but they go way beyond this, and to be honest, why drag queens, why not a fireman or a nurse, why is it sexual innuendo stuff. Right down to bringing in drag queens in the Isle of Man schools to teach 10 year olds about sexual education Instead of properly trained professionals. All of it is grooming creep. That so many mothers brought their babies to a sex show is shocking to me, and I'm not easily shocked. If those mothers partners and husbands brought their children to a sex show would the mother's object. They can't can they, those mothers support it. So they'd not have a leg to stand on to say the partner is wrong to bring the children to a sex show.

This reminds me of Kemmie and her equality speech about some using it as a weapon.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0913251a-ba0f-11ed-ba66-a35293c2b64e?shareToken=aaa7a7bf83b86b8df3757c5a1d697d90

Dangly Bondage Man’s dad has now spoken to a media org so perhaps that’ll convince some of the FakeNewsClaiming Muppets that this wasn’t just a photoshop hoax?

newsfeeds.media/drag-baby-performers-father-defends-son-as-a-professional-who-has-done-nothing/

The wrongness was the audience he performed for, not the performance itself, Steve!

Ben can twizzle about in thigh high PVC stiletto boots as much as he likes, he just needs the good sense to answer booking queries with ‘Is this event for over 18s? And if the answer isn’t affirmative, Ben needs to say ‘No’.

Or

Ben needs to come up with a truly family friendly costume and ditch all the ‘risqué’ parts of his act (as dad, Steve, describes them) reserving that shit purely for over 18’s events.
Hell, how about two completely different stage names, one for the fetish events and one for when kiddies are present?

Ben looked shit in the viral video but he actually seems quite good at aerial circus arts when he’s not hampered by a short drop, bright daylight and babies liable to crawl underneath him at any moment (especially when parent’s senses are dulled by afternoon drinking).

I’d rather believe Ben to be dim or naive rather than have any sinister intent (because I’m a noted Pollyanna) but he shouldn’t have allowed for a situation where BDSM themes and ‘captivating sensory moments for babies’ are both part of a single event.

Bondage imagery isn’t suitable for babies, Ben!
Save that stuff for Torture Garden or Manumission 🤦‍♀️

(although I suppose it could be worse, you could’ve done your whipcracking leatherclad cowboy or your rubbermasked pig poledance!)

Link to Ben’s showreels (screenshots for preview as I can’t embed on Mumsnet - videos aren’t marked as age restricted but the pig stuff deffo ain’t like Peppa)

vimeo.com/558293016

The event organisers, the performers, the venues and the ticket buyers could all have gone ‘hold on a minute’ and stopped this whole Cara Baba Rave thing before it became so troubling it made international news.
That none of them did so is really fucking creepy and it should now be investigated by appropriate professional bodies. If no one involved has anything to hide they should welcome the chance to clear their names.

All licensed venues and event organisers need a refresh on why some things are classified as adult themed and age restricted.

And parents need to GET A FUCKING BABYSITTER if they want to watch drag strippers, burlesque tit twirlers or risqué circus acts.

Why not focus your attention on the poor regulation of many children's activity groups and the police failings around actual abuse? Ah right because this is about being anti trans, not about safeguarding.

What an odd leap. Firstly, we have no idea how those performers identify so we are not criticising them for being trans, we are criticising them (and organisers and parents) for being men with their keks off showing their bums to kids.

Secondly, even if we did know they were trans, are we now not allowed to point out that this behaviour is totally inappropriate for kids? Can you see the issues with preventing us from criticising the behaviour of any particular group? Like being a children’s BBC TV presenter in the 80s, it attracted some paedophiles. (At least 5 that we know of).

Thirdly, we are intelligent enough to hold more than one idea in our head at the same time and many of us are also working on child safeguarding issues relating to children’s groups (especially children’s charities with major safeguarding fails like Mermaids (!) and LGBTY Scotland, the NSPCC and others) and issues with the police.

Ah, it's on women's shoulders and women are to blame. Gotcha. 🙄

Can you say more? No worries if not I'm just being really curious.

The videos and pictures are from the original website that's been shut down now. If you have an issue with it, take it up with them?

I agree about the childrens faces should be blocked out and some posters on the other thread have done that.

The adults however should be visible, this is a huge safeguarding breach and they should be held accountable.

Yes.

Nobody held a gun to those mothers head to attend this event, so yes they are blame.

If Mother's in the workplace can't safeguard there and safeguard the institution instead, they are likely also shit spineless mothers who can't safeguard at home too, even worse they have double standards for service users who as taxpayers pay them to do their job properly, which they dont do and is overall gross. There are whistleblowers court cases possible and lots who help crowd fund.

When did mothers become a scared caste who can't be insulted , as it's blasphemy, when they fuck up?

Babies, toddlers and children can't consent to this.

It's a safeguarding concern.

As is allowing fully intact males into spaces where children and women are vunerable.

A clarification of the Equality Act, to clearly state that the protected characteristic of sex, means biological sex, not legal sex.

Please sign if you can, and pass on.

It is an official petition, so anonymous.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2?page=1

Obviously I’m in the minority about posting those images on here. I don’t agree with it. I’ve given my reasons why. A fair number of posters have given their opposing views. So can we leave this aside please for now?

We do agree on drag shows for kids being inappropriate. I’m going to leave it there for now. And keep on informing myself about the issue of children being inappropriately exposed to drag queen shows, and drag queens in woman's only spaces.

Nobody held a gun to those mothers head to attend this event, so yes they are blame.

If Mother's in the workplace can't safeguard there and safeguard the institution instead, they are likely also shit spineless mothers who can't safeguard at home too, even worse they have double standards for service users who as taxpayers pay them to do their job properly, which they dont do and is overall gross. There are whistleblowers court cases possible and lots who help crowd fund.

What do these two things have to do with each other? And why are you blaming ALL working mothers??
You sound unhinged

Slammed, I said. Not smashed. It’s a common metaphor for ignoring what someone is saying and it was said in reference to your abhorrent, regressive views on working mothers. Those views should have no place on a board for mothers and i would hope no MP would regard them as worth listening to.

As you don’t seem to be familiar with the metaphor, let me make clear that slamming the door is a non-violent metaphor and all violence in politics should be avoided, even where people hold abhorrent views.

They said they hoped my MP was not interested in saving single sex spaces then, and we would have had self ID as law for years by now if i had not done what I did, they probably attack Kellie-Jay types too whilst they do fuck all of anything useful, yet they were too scared/ lazy or unaware to do what I did. Like I give two shits what people like that say about me, yet they care so much about having my good opinion of them, interesting.

I shall not bother and leave selfish cowards to it in future? Enjoy your utopia.