To be upset that toddlers and babies are being subjected to this.

[flashbac]

This is abuse. What kind of parent takes their baby to a show like this?

There seems to be a very alarming trend towards exposing children to sexual behaviour from adults. As previous posters have said we have noticed that this agenda is being aggressively pushed by some groups and almost expecting the rest of us to regard it as normal. We have a duty to shield our children from exposure to perversion and from this kind of insidious creep towards normalisation of paedophilia. I have the same concern about the invasion of female spaces by men dressed as women. We should always push back and challenge the erosion of our boundaries and the boundaries which should be there to protect our children from predators.

No wonder you can't do your job properly and then attack anyone who achieved anything, you sound like you often project who you are with the insults that belong to you, due to your misplaced guilt.

No wonder you can't do your job properly and then attack anyone who achieved anything, you sound like you often project who you are with the insults that belong to you, due to your misplaced guilt.

Excuse me, can you write that again in English? I've literally no idea what you are taking about.

You don't know me or what I do for a living so how can you comment on my performance?

Predictably, on the East Dulwich Forum, where someone has expressed a negative view of The Great Exhibition's forthcoming DQST, they have been told

"Ugh. What a horrid stance, especially in this day and age when so many parts of our community are (literally) under attack. You should be ashamed of yourself for writing that."

and other similar bashing.

I think someone is trying to derail the thread.

Of course these women hold personal responsibility for taking their children to the event.

But the fact that this event is even a 'thing' is more than the women's personal responsibility. For fear of sounding like I should be wearing a tin foil hat, there are larger forces at play here.

These women have not suddenly and collectively lost sense of perspective when it comes to child safeguarding. There has been a drip drip of Queer Theory over a number of years. These events would not have happened even 5 years ago. Why is that?

It has fuck all to do with being working women or the wrong kind of feminist.

There is a thread of familiarity running through the minds of the people who have enabled the creep of Queer Theory and the ones who blame women for it. In common they have the hatred of women at the core of their belief system.

I'm really concerned that 15% of people here have voted that you're being unreasonable.

Quite disturbing tbh.

Paedophiles in plain sight gaining confidence as we speak. Who are the parents who are taking their children to these shows? I think they all need their hard drives investigating if you ask me.

The other day I had a post deleted when I expressed concern about where queer theory was taking people.

If I wasn't permitted to write what I did, then things are certainly ramping up.

That's awful!

2 of the 5 fundamental British values are mutual respect and tolerance for people of other religions and beliefs.

And yet, once again, complete intolerance for the belief that sexualising children is wrong.

Suella Braverman (like her or loath her) made such a point today (copied over from the Times)

*The lodestar of our democracy is freedom of speech. Nobody can demand respect for their belief system, even if it is a religion......Everyone who lives here has to accept this country’s pluralism and freedom of speech and belief. One person’s freedom to, for example, convert from Islam to Christianity is the same freedom that allows a Muslim to say that Jesus was a prophet but not God Incarnate.

This freedom is absolute. It doesn’t vary case by case. It can’t be disapplied at a local level. And no one living in this country can legitimately claim that this doesn’t apply to them because they belong to a different tradition....

...Yet things are going in the wrong direction. We see that in the monstrous way that JK Rowling and others have been treated for daring to challenge radical gender ideology.*

This is a consequence of the no debate approach to women's rights and safeguarding children.
"You may not question anything - no matter how dangerous or batshit as it shows you're a bigot / a transphobe / a homophobe allied to the facists / christian right"
It was originally pushed by Stonewall and allied organisations and now - as we see even on this thread - is being applied those challenging safeguarding babies and children.

I'm quite surprised this thread is still in AIBU.

Worrying isn't it? When we have to watch what we're saying about even when it concerns the protection of children.

God help us.

I don't think it is right to accuse someone of derailing a thread, when they are talking about the very real phenomenon of the straight women who play a large role in supporting the creep of Queer Theory into legislation, health care, education and our everyday interactions. That poster might be doing it in a cack-handed way, but she does have some interesting points to make.

The liberal feminist movement that has credited itself with opening up the work force to women, is also the movement that has denigrated motherhood and contributed to an atmosphere that rejects the "mother knows best" attitude that has allowed bodies such as Stonewall and Mermaids (who proselytise Queer Theory) to claim that they have the best interests of children at heart, not their own families. There are also quite a few commentators out there who have talked about they types of behaviour that used to be confined to the personality disordered permeating the whole of society, though vehicles such as Twitter and Tok Tok, and these sorts of disturbing behaviours are being displayed by legislators, educators and HPCs, as well as wide swathes of the populace in everyday interactions.

The workforce is being fed all manner of nonsensical critical theories through workplace training. Again, there are a number of commentators that are pointing the finger at HR departments, how they are instrumental in pushing these theories, and how they hold a disproportionate amount of power in a work place that keeps nay-sayers to scared to question what practices, attitudes and boundary breaking is being pushed. If this sort of training is trickling down into the home, through young working parents schooling their children in the "right" (but morally oh so wrong) way of thinking about their boundaries, then these children are also being primed from birth to be readily accepting of the genderist theories pushed in schools from reception age.

Parents are the human shield between our children and these crazy and disturbing boundary breaking social changes. If we are disenfranchised from our instincts to protect and parent our children wisely, through workplace training we are afraid to question, and fear of social approbium, then the genderists have won. And yes, whilst parents includes dads, we all know that the main shield protecting children is their mothers. And mothers are for sure being targeted and groomed.

Worrying isn't it? When we have to watch what we're saying about even when it concerns the protection of children.

It makes me wonder how far some people will go to avoid being called transphobic. I wonder where their line is drawn - would they report actual child sexual abuse occurring if they saw it being perpetrated by a member if the ‘protected caste’? Or would they stay silent…

It is also concerning that the ‘protected caste’ is growing so rapidly. It started off with trans people, then Stonewall expanded it to transvestites and erotic cross dressers, then ‘queer’ people and now Drag Queens and random male strippers/‘cabaret’ performers.

How many more men will fall into the umbrella of ‘they who must never be challenged or criticised’?

How many people will continue to turn a blind eye?

stbrandonsboat · Today 15:02

I'm really concerned that 15% of people here have voted that you're being unreasonable.

Yes, but it's better than the one in the Times, which is 61% to 39% - with 39% thinking it's unreasonable.

Fab post Moira - this bears repeating:

Parents are the human shield between our children and these crazy and disturbing boundary breaking social changes. If we are disenfranchised from our instincts to protect and parent our children wisely, through workplace training we are afraid to question, and fear of social approbium, then the genderists have won. And yes, whilst parents includes dads, we all know that the main shield protecting children is their mothers. And mothers are for sure being targeted and groomed.

A few years ago people here called me crazy for saying that paedophilia would be accepted. Now it's staring us in the face.

Honestly if a man wants to dress up as a disney princess and read books to kids or do a puppet show they can knock themselves out. But only if they are dressed age appropriately and leave sex out of the conversation! None of these six inch heels, g-strings, and huge fake breasts and highly sexual performances.

But sadly they don’t seem to understand that which is why I feel there is no ground to defend them. This is not about hating drag queens.

I’m friends with quite a few drag queens. Many who are married to women and have children. Many of course are gay (some who adopted and some who didn’t) however, the ones with kids very much see the problem with what is happening and they have expressed that they feel drag is ruined for them.

Several have stopped doing drag altogether and others have moved on to doing drag more privately to get away from the really nutty ones who want to pull minors into the scene and make it weird.

A lot of my drag friends don’t make it hyper sexual really too begin with. Their idea of drag is just dressing up as their favourite celebrities or characters and singing, dancing and drinking. If the character is already very sexual sometimes that’s the case.

One of my friends I met in high school. He confessed to me about his secret hobby of stealing his older sisters’ halloween outfits and dressing up as sailor moon characters for fun. I remember applauding him and telling him to go for it. I remember him meeting other like minded friends and them all getting together and making funny innocent skits on youtube.

It really brought out the best in him and I know how much it meant to him and it helped him accept himself as a gay man. But now I see that he is crushed because drag has become a tool for perverse men to try to bully parents and children into what is essentially child grooming and given drag queens, gay men and trans people a bad name. It is a shame. He says the fun and joy of drag is gone. He got into an argument at the club he used to perform at. He no longer does it as work or as a hobby anymore.

It’s tragic really.

This video sums it up pretty well

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2jF7W3N1T7U&feature=youtu.be

Correct. It's a massive safeguarding red flag and those arguing that it's harmless clearly know nothing about safeguarding.

"Correct. It's a massive safeguarding red flag and those arguing that it's harmless clearly know nothing about safeguarding."

Oh I don't know, the cynic in me thinks they know plenty about it, but wish to undermine it; make it all socially acceptable and it bingo they can enjoy their perversion without risk to their liberty.

The domino effect has truly begun

Anyone on this thread saying this is OK needs a psych eval. You are saying out of these two images one person dressed like this is fine gyrating and thrusting about on the floor of a public library in front of kids and babies and one is not. Pease explain your reasoning.

Either grown adults sticking their crotches and arse cracks our in front of kids is a massive child protection concern, or it's NOT. It can't just be OK because it's Men playing dress-up as women and it's in a library. That makes NO fucking sense.

And don't come at me with "It's not in a strip club". If a pole dancer set up in the children's section in your local library dressed EXACTLY the same way as the man playing dress-up in the photo is you would be literally shitting your pants in anger.

Ok Moira but how and why are women, or as the poster suggests specifically working women to blame for the fact that bodies such as stonewall have infiltrated HR departments?

Why are women to blame for QT?

Why are women to blame for, well, everything?

I don't understand the overwhelming desire to make men blameless in a patriarchal society. How is this any kind of feminism?

MoirasSaggyBundles · Today 15:33
I don't think it is right to accuse someone of derailing a thread, when they are talking about the very real phenomenon of the straight women who play a large role in supporting the creep of Queer Theory into legislation, health care, education and our everyday interactions. That poster might be doing it in a cack-handed way, but she does have some interesting points to make.

The liberal feminist movement that has credited itself with opening up the work force to women, is also the movement that has denigrated motherhood and contributed to an atmosphere that rejects the "mother knows best" attitude that has allowed bodies such as Stonewall and Mermaids (who proselytise Queer Theory) to claim that they have the best interests of children at heart, not their own families. There are also quite a few commentators out there who have talked about they types of behaviour that used to be confined to the personality disordered permeating the whole of society, though vehicles such as Twitter and Tok Tok, and these sorts of disturbing behaviours are being displayed by legislators, educators and HPCs, as well as wide swathes of the populace in everyday interactions.

The workforce is being fed all manner of nonsensical critical theories through workplace training. Again, there are a number of commentators that are pointing the finger at HR departments, how they are instrumental in pushing these theories, and how they hold a disproportionate amount of power in a work place that keeps nay-sayers to scared to question what practices, attitudes and boundary breaking is being pushed. If this sort of training is trickling down into the home, through young working parents schooling their children in the "right" (but morally oh so wrong) way of thinking about their boundaries, then these children are also being primed from birth to be readily accepting of the genderist theories pushed in schools from reception age.

Parents are the human shield between our children and these crazy and disturbing boundary breaking social changes. If we are disenfranchised from our instincts to protect and parent our children wisely, through workplace training we are afraid to question, and fear of social approbium, then the genderists have won. And yes, whilst parents includes dads, we all know that the main shield protecting children is their mothers. And mothers are for sure being targeted and groomed.

Thank you so much for this post which I agree with. I have copied it for myself in case this thread gets deleted.

They do don't they.

Disgusting. You wouldn't take a baby to a strip club with women dancing like this, so what's the difference. Rubbing kids faces in overt sexuality is beyond inappropriate. Borderline abuse actually.