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flashbac · 2023-03-03T20:20:45+00:00

This is abuse. What kind of parent takes their baby to a show like this?

davegrohll · 04/03/2023 08:36

LikeTearsInRain · 04/03/2023 00:15

I think it’s fantastic. It’s more entertainment for the parents with plenty of sensory stimulation from the colours, dancing and singing for the kids

🤣🤣 wtf I really can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but either way you made me laugh!!

Wanderingowl · 04/03/2023 08:36

SunShineAllMine · 04/03/2023 08:13

Are you suggesting that there is a greater number of personality disordered in this demographic? If they aren't low IQ, I can't see what else is causing this?

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That's an interesting point. The four most absolutely gung-ho TRAs I know all have personality disorders. But I have wondered lately if anti-depressants may be playing a part. I'm not suggesting that everyone on anti-depressants takes leave of their senses like this. I'm sure there are posters here who clearly see why this is dangerous who are on them. But I know so many people who started down odd paths after starting anti-depressants, they seem more unhappy than ever, yet fixate on something unhelpful. It's not always gender ideology, but it often is at the moment.

SpecialK2023 · 04/03/2023 08:37

GromblesofGrimbledon · 04/03/2023 08:25

These threads are a very good indication that too many people’s sexual boundaries have been lowered and people have been desensitised to it.

Exactly this @Helleofabore

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ThrowingMuse · 04/03/2023 08:37

LindorDoubleChoc · 04/03/2023 07:57

Pity me. The Honor Oak Pub in London has just hosted a Drag story time event and the protests against it on the day were hijacked by the hideous far right group Turning Point UK. It made the news, you might have seen it.

Now another popular pub in nearby East Dulwich is planning to do the same and shouting out on social media for residents to come and defend them from Turning Point. Well I don't align myself with Turning Point in any way whatsoever but I feel the need to object to these events. Wtf do I do?

Which ED pub, @LindorDoubleChoc ?

Morestrangethings · 04/03/2023 08:38

RealMcKoy · 04/03/2023 08:30

It never ceases to amaze me that it seems to be educated, middle class white straight women who seem to be the biggest non LGB set of people who have fallen for Queer Theory hook line and sinker.

I guess that poorer or less white people may have their heads far more screwed on as to the potential pitfalls of "edginess" ( what with living it every day) and because we don't have the cushion of social second chances we aren't going to make an obvious cultural Red Flag the basis of any personal progressivism. People have long recall and are far less forgiving of Nonce Support outside of certain circles as people like Harriet Harman already know.

I guess most resent using children as adult sexual validation, even of they cannot articulate what they KNOW to be happening in front of their eyes. It's this inarticulation that craven progressive types use against poorer/less white people and call it "bigotry" and worse they use the same class that a lot of them share with white middle class types that ARE against this cultural sexual grooming.

It's like the sixties again when women were expected to drop their drawers once the pill came into being, but up to now still get called the Whore and "sexual liberation" was really men being allowed to rut "consequence free" until 1981 with male destigmatisation being the basis of sex education since the 1990s.

Of course straight men aren't even being "called upon" to openly show support of Queer Theory since it benefits the perverted amongst them or they are seen as "wishful thinking" potential partners whose feathers aren't to be ruffled by deluded Transwomen and self hating gay men.

Martin Luther King seems to have been very correct in his assessment of the narcissism of a certain type of white liberal.

An interesting post and I understand most of it, but could you please explain ‘male destigmatisation being the basis of sex education’ (since 1990s). I would appreciate it. Thank you.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/03/2023 08:39

GromblesofGrimbledon · 04/03/2023 08:25

These threads are a very good indication that too many people’s sexual boundaries have been lowered and people have been desensitised to it.

Exactly this @Helleofabore

Maybe people should also take a look at what's happening in too many schools with the children's boundaries being relentlessly targeted:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4753789-swindon-council-lesson-plans-on-gender-y10

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-64811129

Helleofabore · 04/03/2023 08:41

dentydown · 04/03/2023 08:22

I don’t mind drag shoes for kids. I wouldn’t be comfortable around that style of show.

so fully clothed, storey time, songs, make up lots of glitter/sparkle. I’m ok with it.

the twirling around on the fake phallis, naked swing isn’t for me. (I would also be concerned that the kids would try to replicate it at home as well).

Do you understand that drag performance is not empowering to women? That many of the terms used in drag are misogynistic. Such as ‘fishy’? and the names? Ana Bortion? miss carriage? Lucinda B. Hind the thonged performer in this event was called.

What is empowering for women with these misogynistic names that we want to normalise for children?

Just because those performers may be putting on a child appropriate show, what they represent is not child appropriate. What other adult entertainer would you find appropriate to entertain children if they just wore child friendly clothing and cleaned up their act.

A stripper? Would you take your child to stripper story time? I am not talking about a person who is simply reading a book who is or has been a stripper dressed in the usual non-sexualised clothes and not even mentioning their occupation. I am talking about a session called ‘stripper story time’ where someone recreates some elements of their work while talking to the children, but in a ‘family friendly way.’ Why would it be different?

What is it about drag queens and the culture that is suitable to be a focus for the event?

Or is it because some people have in their mind gone ‘it is just about the dress up’ they don’t see that it is normalising a still very much adult, and misogynistic, performance act and culture to children?

knittingaddict · 04/03/2023 08:41

dentydown · 04/03/2023 08:22

I don’t mind drag shoes for kids. I wouldn’t be comfortable around that style of show.

so fully clothed, storey time, songs, make up lots of glitter/sparkle. I’m ok with it.

the twirling around on the fake phallis, naked swing isn’t for me. (I would also be concerned that the kids would try to replicate it at home as well).

But it's DGST that has got us here. Why is that so hard to understand?

bonjello · 04/03/2023 08:41

Wanderingowl · 04/03/2023 08:36

That's an interesting point. The four most absolutely gung-ho TRAs I know all have personality disorders. But I have wondered lately if anti-depressants may be playing a part. I'm not suggesting that everyone on anti-depressants takes leave of their senses like this. I'm sure there are posters here who clearly see why this is dangerous who are on them. But I know so many people who started down odd paths after starting anti-depressants, they seem more unhappy than ever, yet fixate on something unhelpful. It's not always gender ideology, but it often is at the moment.

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Its really dangerous to start making links casually like that. I know loads of people on antidepressants and I don't think any of them would be ok with this.

SunShineAllMine · 04/03/2023 08:42

Wanderingowl · 04/03/2023 08:36

That's an interesting point. The four most absolutely gung-ho TRAs I know all have personality disorders. But I have wondered lately if anti-depressants may be playing a part. I'm not suggesting that everyone on anti-depressants takes leave of their senses like this. I'm sure there are posters here who clearly see why this is dangerous who are on them. But I know so many people who started down odd paths after starting anti-depressants, they seem more unhappy than ever, yet fixate on something unhelpful. It's not always gender ideology, but it often is at the moment.

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Mental health seems a cult to me not much science is involved.

Tavistock GIDS makes me think of the psychiatric Silence of the Lambs films.

i have never known anyone cured.

I have known physically ill people left sick by this service.

DumpedinKilburn · 04/03/2023 08:42

Posters are asking how we got here so quickly.

I think a lot of it is down to two terms-transphobic and judgemental, which have been used to brilliant effect.

The mention of either one is designed to shut down criticism and to make the speaker feel small, stupid and hateful.

But I say we shouldn't be shamed by having these terms used against us, especially when we see disgraceful and dangerous exhibitions like these.

First of all, it is not transphobic-to be phobic of anything means that one has an irrational fear-and there is nothing irrational about fearing these aggressive displays.

Secondly, as for judgemental, we need a little more judgement coming to the fore. Don't be made to feel hateful for judging-we need a little more judgement.

Defenders also say that we are shaming the mums, as if we should be ashamed of doing so. Pure Alice in Wonderland-they need shaming because they are incapable of feeling shame themselves.

Never be ashamed of judging dangerous shit like this and don't be frightened of being called transphobic or shaming- these terms are cleverly used to shut down decency.

Yes, decency is an old fashioned term but it needs to be used a bit more.

All this has escalated very quickly and if we allow ourselves to be silenced with these ridiculous terms, then where do you think it will stop?

Do you think this is the peak or might there be more-as yet unimaginable stuff-to come. Time to say, call us what you like-we don't care- but this far and no further.

Galadriel90 · 04/03/2023 08:42

@Helleofabore spot on.

LindorDoubleChoc · 04/03/2023 08:43

@ThrowingMuse - the Great Exhibition. I know that the ED Tavern have also hosted drag queen storytime. I believe the two Mums who book these events are local.

Galadriel90 · 04/03/2023 08:44

If there was a dad's baby group at a strip club, or a mums group at the Chippendales there would be uproar. Why is this any different.

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 04/03/2023 08:44

@LindorDoubleChoc I would stay out of it if I were you. These drag queens are males, some with penises visible through their performance clothes (and in one photo erection 🤢) some with links to rapists according to a previous poster. They want to read stories to children.

Now they are coming across other males, some violent, some criminals, who are cross about it.

People will get hurt, as always when males are getting into arguments/ getting violent. I would just stay away.

Cailin66 · 04/03/2023 08:46

Helleofabore · 04/03/2023 08:03

Can you please tell us all which of those performances were about trans people?

Please be very specific.

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Why is this important to you? The point is men. Men performing sexualised acts in front of children. Breaking down barriers and grooming women and children. Why haven’t you wondered why men think this kind of ‘performance’ is an acceptable way to make a living. What type of man thinks it’s ok to have his arse cheeks exposed, or to put his penis in a thong to ‘entertain’ mothers, babies and toddlers.

Wanderingowl · 04/03/2023 08:48

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LindorDoubleChoc · 04/03/2023 08:48

You have to add "right wing" "fascist" "neo Nazi" "Daily Mail reader" and even "Trump supporter" to transphobic and judgemental on your list of insults that will be thrown at you. I've seen it with my very own eyes on a local FB page!!

DumpedinKilburn · 04/03/2023 08:50

You're right @LindorDoubleChoc

Time for us to grow a thicker skin, stick our fingers in and ears and say-call us what you like, we won't be silenced and we don't care!

Morestrangethings · 04/03/2023 08:50

bonjello · 04/03/2023 08:41

Its really dangerous to start making links casually like that. I know loads of people on antidepressants and I don't think any of them would be ok with this.

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I agree bonjelo.

a conclusion (suggestion) like this should only be reached through a number of peer reviewed studies, not one person’s personal observation.

Vebrithien · 04/03/2023 08:51

Cailin66 · 04/03/2023 08:46

Why is this important to you? The point is men. Men performing sexualised acts in front of children. Breaking down barriers and grooming women and children. Why haven’t you wondered why men think this kind of ‘performance’ is an acceptable way to make a living. What type of man thinks it’s ok to have his arse cheeks exposed, or to put his penis in a thong to ‘entertain’ mothers, babies and toddlers.

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Ahem.

I think @Helleofabore was actually responding to a previous poster, who was accusing all those who object to this sexualisation of babies and children, of being transphobic.

@Helleofabore was asking, who there precisely, was trans. Surely, to be transphobic, there needed to be some trans people?

Tiga2 · 04/03/2023 08:53

Its vile

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The NHS cult don't seem to want to use critical thinking either, then think they are superior to these grinning watch a half naked drag queen, bring a baby and a pint - Mums.

SunShineAllMine · 04/03/2023 08:54

Morestrangethings · 04/03/2023 08:50

I agree bonjelo.

a conclusion (suggestion) like this should only be reached through a number of peer reviewed studies, not one person’s personal observation.

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Drug companies funded ones?

InterstellarDrifter · 04/03/2023 08:55

People have lost their minds. How do people think this is ok? It seems like barriers are being pushed and taken down more and more. I dread to think what's next.