To be upset that toddlers and babies are being subjected to this.

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This is abuse. What kind of parent takes their baby to a show like this?

How did we get here? So what if you agree with Trump on no experiments on disabled children? It's what WW2 was partly fought over - Eugenics.

Queer theory has been mentioned a few times on these recent pages I am just pasting a post from another thread for background.

Maybe the posters who support this event would like a reminder of what Foucault, considered very important to queer theory, and his group of activists achieved in France. Namely the law change allowing 13 year olds to engage in sexual relationships with adults. A law that only now the victims are trying to speak out, which is difficult because there are predators who took advantage of the law still in political influence.

Because a group of intellectuals decided that 13 year olds should have the body autonomy to decide to have sex with adults. So, those intellectuals, still celebrated today, took in 14 year old lovers.

Because lowering sexual boundaries, destabilising language and science to achieve this and 'acceptance' of aspects of post modernism such as 'people are who and what they say they are' is what queer theory is hinged on.

There is plenty of sources, just google. These 'intellectuals' shaped the rape culture in France too. Making it incredibly hard for children who were victims to find justice. Including 11 year olds!!!

Two books started the push back. I don't usually quote wiki but this is quickest

"The law comes after several books were published reigniting a debate about paedophilia in the country."

"In "Consent", book editor Vanessa Springora detailed how she was seduced by award-winning essayist Gabriel Matzneff when she was just 13 and he was 50. The book rocked France's cultural elite as Springora wrote about how many prominent literary and media figures were aware of Matzneff's preference for underage girls."

"In "La Familia Grande", Camille Kouchner accused her stepfather, prominent political scientist Olivier Duhamel, of raping her twin brother when he was 13 and 14. The revelations sent shockwaves through the political sphere and led to Duhamel's resignation from the prestigious Sciences Po university in Paris."

This needs highlighting:

The book rocked France's cultural elite as Springora wrote about how many prominent literary and media figures were aware of Matzneff's preference for underage girls.

Foucault was just one of the signatories to the petition to change the law in the 1970s. He is a known paedophile who wrote about sex with minors. He is considered a very important figure in queer theory where sexual boundaries of children and adults are lowered.

These events contribute to the sexual boundaries being lowered.

These events also appeal to the parts of society who are ignoring that children are being sexualised.

Adults who have had their sexual boundaries lowered are more likely to support their children’s sexual boundaries being lowered too. Maybe even lower than their parents!

And part of that has happened in the name of ‘tolerance’ and some has been done under the guise of ‘entertainment’. After all, seeking the next shocking moment in a show means pushing boundaries further. Remember, what is considered boring these days was shocking to previous generations.

The question must be always asked:

Who benefits from this?

Exactly who benefits from this? Not just the direct beneficiaries.

We had something much less racy but still racy acrobatics at a work party once- big 4, lots of raised eyebrows and hmm how are you enjoying the night, except the entertainment of course let’s not talk about that and who was weird enough to book it. That’s adults!! Imagine turning up with your baby and this far more sexualised show was in their face

I agree. @Cailin66 I think of course it doesn’t matter, they are males exposing themselves to children. The awful thing is that we are supposed to keep quiet because if we don’t we are either transphobic or homophobic.

That is absolute rubbish. Where on earth is the transphobia or homophobia is objecting to cheap booze and men in thongs shoving their arses in the faces of babies

Any poster who thinks that this is an indication of trans/homo-phobia is needs to provide exactly where these alleged phobias are.

to be honest, it says quite a bit about how this poster views trans people and gay people.

The parents who attended this are so unbelievably stupid that I have no words. What were they thinking?

Alexa, what is AGP?

I think the desperation to be seen as cool, accepting and progressive can be a powerful drug. Especially when anyone raising concerns gets decried as a bigot.

Yoghatari principles were introduced to the UN, like a form of ten commandments and partly why we are here.

There was a woman Alice Bailey who introduced something similar apparently to the UN, about state media teaching us to do as we are told via propoganda (BBC drag shows), removing parental responsibility rights we see with Queer theory.

I want to investigate her further it's not easy to get information as some online is quite odd.

No not entering this conversation.

This thread is about suitability of drag shows for little children. I think highly unsuitable. I’m looking to know why some people are thinking it’s okay. But there are many things to be looked at and discussed before we jump too ‘are medications causing it?’

Was this aimed at me or the person I am asking who has tried to frame people pushing back on this event as being ‘anti-trans’.?

The organisers themselves tried the trans angle in their statement this week. I saw that as a deliberate and manipulative move to garner support from the LGBT+ community.

I wondered if this poster has made the connection due to their own prejudices about people who disagree with sexualised performances in front of children or if there was an angle that the poster knew that I didn’t and that is why they leapt to the lazy ‘anti-trans’ accusation.

Please don't strawman, someone else suggested that.

The opposite of an open brain falling out is a mind that doesn't inquire.

oh, I crossed posts with veb.

Thanks veb!

As someone said upthread, this is the impact of no debate - of silencing everyone and accusing those who dare to speak out of being bigots and transphobic.
Worst of all is that this has been moved into schools. Many of the same organisations that promote DQST also write sex ed materials for schools with the same value free, safeguarding busting approach. Too many schools fail to use due diligence and just buy the materials or pay dodgy groups to get involved. It's up to parents to insist on seeing what's being taught and who's behind it. See this from Transgender Trend:

www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Teaching-gender-ideology-in-schools.pdf

Sorry for the derail.

Where's the shaming of the mothers. Those mothers volunteered to bring their toddlers and babies to this event. Those mothers decided it was entirely appropriate. For them there is nothing to be ashamed about surely. Many of them are taking photos and videoing the event. Presumably to share with their husbands, friends, other children.

It's the same crap as having mixed sex toilets I do NOT want to be in the same toilet alone with an unknown man

Again, a small number of men dress up as a caricature of women and parade around looking for attention, and some silly women look on and say it is fine.

Debased art, make it run mad, using the media, Alice Bailey would be delighted with this.

Also giving primary school sex education content which is too old for them.its been happening for a few years sexualizing young girls with the type of clothes you can buy in their sizes

No, it's not-the opposite of a mind so open that a brain falls out, overwhelmed with all the sewage that flows in is a mind that is critical, inquiring but has filters and boundaries in place.

keep some boundaries in your mind. learn to say that something is wrong and you will feel better for it-otherwise you're a sap for the person who comes along and says it is a closed mind that condemns those who have sex with pit bull.

A lot of these so called 'open minds' have been manipulated to accept things that no normal person in normal times would accept.

This is absolutely disgusting and I can only hope that the 15% (wtf?!) who think this is just fine and dandy don't have responsibility for child safeguarding either at home or at work.

I haven't managed to read the whole thread, so sorry if this has been addressed in later pages, has anyone reported this to police or social services?*

*I know both are ideologically captured, but they haven't managed to officially re-write safeguarding laws just yet

This is utterly disgusting. Aside from men using Trans ideology to invade womens and young girls spaces this is just fucking gross. To those of you saying it's no big deal lets turn it on his head.

If it was men taking their babies/toddlers to see pole dancing women in thongs with their asses hanging out, doing the splits and shoving their arses in the kids faces you would have a fucking field day screaming about it, and rightly so, because people gyrating about in thongs with their asses exposed and crotches covered in an inch of cloth, whether they are male/female/trans or fucking donkey, it would be labelled as a form of sexual abuse of minors.

If I was there (obviously I wouldn’t be because it is utterly unsuitable for children) j would be so worried about one of those 12” stilettos making contact with a child’s hand as it crawls around the floor.

In some of the videos you can see the babies crawling really close to the performer and men are not always the best at spatial awareness. There was also a very vigorous performance from a man with long rope style played that he was swinging around really fast and close to the audience- again - a baby straying into his path could get a nasty shock.

I am so horrified that people can’t see how unsuitable this is and how they have already been groomed to ignore the best interests of their children.

But they are only 15%. 85% are against it.

I imagine those numbers reflect opinions outside Mumsnet, so why are these 15% allowed to bark loudest and succeed in this shit even being in society.

Are the 85% powerless? Are we going to continue to allow the tail to wag the dog? Why are we frightened of saying-the lunatics can no longer run the asylum?

Why are we afraid of their opinions but they are not frightened of ours?

I believe working mothers safeguard their colleagues instead of their children because the bond is broken, they bond to those they spend most of their time with.

What a load of bollocks, plenty of working mothers are vociferously against this crap.