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To think this woman should not be put in prison?

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Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:31

Bizarre and very unfair Link

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Catsmakemehappy · 02/03/2023 16:12

A accident is when you don’t mean to do something , she acted aggressively and entitled. That’s a lot of anger to he carrying around . I’m sure she did not mean for the poor ladies death but it’s not okay to be aggressive to people ! It’s a hard lesson for her and so sad for the poor lady who died and her family to live with . No winners here 🥹

amonsteronthehill · 02/03/2023 16:12

It was a shared use pavement, quite wide for sharing.

She literally got the other woman killed, a retired ex-midwife, through her actions. And showed no remorse until sentencing.

Abouttimemum · 02/03/2023 16:12

Mariposista · 02/03/2023 16:09

Yep. This. She will think twice about being a rude little shit in future.

Rude little shit describes her perfectly

Theluggage15 · 02/03/2023 16:13

Fizzadora · 02/03/2023 16:11

No she did not. The woman was riding illegally on the pavement and is therefore responsible for her own death. Its what's called an accident.

Bloody hell. The lack of intelligence on this thread is unbelievable. It was manslaughter not an accident. She wasn’t riding illegally.

I8toys · 02/03/2023 16:13

I feel so sorry for the driver. They have killed someone through no fault of their own. Terrible situation.

ClaraThePigeon · 02/03/2023 16:13

Her actions caused the victim to fall into the path of a car. She may not have intended to kill her, but she caused the accident.

There was a bit more to it than just a profanity. She made "light contact" Her language and gestures were aggressive and again we have not seen all the evidence that the jury did.

StarStarBrightShine · 02/03/2023 16:14

Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:36

Ah ok, I looked for a discussion but couldn’t find it. Thanks.

Someone died but it was an accident. Pure and simple. Accidents do happen.

I agree, plus they have posted video of her gesticulating, I would do the same to someone riding towards me on the pavement.

I feel desperately sorry for the lady who died. She felt bad enough to move out of the way, she should have stopped, and waited until the woman was past, and unfortunately she fell into the road.
This was not the fault of the pedestrian
It was an unfortunate accident, that doesn’t warrant an arrest or imprisonment.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 02/03/2023 16:15

It really doesn't matter if she meant to scare her or not, her actions did and resulted in a death. It also doesn't matter the cyclist was on the pavement, that still doesn't give the woman any right to act aggressively. She could have easily stepped aside and let the cyclist past. Maybe the jail time will remind her not to be so territorial and calm herself down.

Parky04 · 02/03/2023 16:15

She lied about the circumstances, and even went shopping instead of staying at the scene! Despicable person who fully deserves prison time.

N27 · 02/03/2023 16:15

Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:40

Yes. It was an accident.

She pushed her into traffic and left her dead in the road? How is that an accident?

Pfeiffle · 02/03/2023 16:15

I was surprised that the judge discounted the pedestrian’s cerebral palsy and partial blindness. The footage suggests the woman isn’t agile and would have difficulty getting out of the path of an oncoming cyclist. Yes she was rude and verbally abusive and remorseless but this was a tragic accident.

FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2023 16:16

Parky04 · 02/03/2023 16:15

She lied about the circumstances, and even went shopping instead of staying at the scene! Despicable person who fully deserves prison time.

Jail time for being despicable?

Abouttimemum · 02/03/2023 16:16

StarStarBrightShine · 02/03/2023 16:14

I agree, plus they have posted video of her gesticulating, I would do the same to someone riding towards me on the pavement.

I feel desperately sorry for the lady who died. She felt bad enough to move out of the way, she should have stopped, and waited until the woman was past, and unfortunately she fell into the road.
This was not the fault of the pedestrian
It was an unfortunate accident, that doesn’t warrant an arrest or imprisonment.

You would gesticulate and shout profanities at someone riding towards you on the pavement? Even though there’s space for you both? That’s truly awful.

ClaraThePigeon · 02/03/2023 16:16

I was surprised that the judge discounted the pedestrian’s cerebral palsy and partial blindness. The footage suggests the woman isn’t agile and would have difficulty getting out of the path of an oncoming cyclist. Yes she was rude and verbally abusive and remorseless but this was a tragic accident.

The pavement was 2.4 metres wide. There was still room to pass.

N27 · 02/03/2023 16:16

Pfeiffle · 02/03/2023 16:15

I was surprised that the judge discounted the pedestrian’s cerebral palsy and partial blindness. The footage suggests the woman isn’t agile and would have difficulty getting out of the path of an oncoming cyclist. Yes she was rude and verbally abusive and remorseless but this was a tragic accident.

Not an accident, she pushed her into the road and left her dead?

ReneBumsWombats · 02/03/2023 16:16

Parky04 · 02/03/2023 16:15

She lied about the circumstances, and even went shopping instead of staying at the scene! Despicable person who fully deserves prison time.

Neither of those are what she was jailed for.

StarStarBrightShine · 02/03/2023 16:17

And it now says the pedestrian was both disabled and partially blind. Yet more factors, which shouldn’t be needed, but should have precluded an arrest

N27 · 02/03/2023 16:17

StarStarBrightShine · 02/03/2023 16:14

I agree, plus they have posted video of her gesticulating, I would do the same to someone riding towards me on the pavement.

I feel desperately sorry for the lady who died. She felt bad enough to move out of the way, she should have stopped, and waited until the woman was past, and unfortunately she fell into the road.
This was not the fault of the pedestrian
It was an unfortunate accident, that doesn’t warrant an arrest or imprisonment.

She didn’t fall, she was pushed. The pedestrian admitted to making contact

ClaraThePigeon · 02/03/2023 16:18

And it now says the pedestrian was both disabled and partially blind. Yet more factors, which shouldn’t be needed, but should have precluded an arrest

Sorry but being disabled is not a get out of jail card.

Pfeiffle · 02/03/2023 16:19

N27 · 02/03/2023 16:16

Not an accident, she pushed her into the road and left her dead?

The pedestrian didn’t make physical contact with the cyclist

FloydPepper · 02/03/2023 16:19

Theluggage15 · 02/03/2023 16:13

Bloody hell. The lack of intelligence on this thread is unbelievable. It was manslaughter not an accident. She wasn’t riding illegally.

It’s frightening. Complete lack of understanding of what manslaughter is, an arrogant assumption that they know better than the people who have seen all the evidence.

RiktheButler · 02/03/2023 16:19

Fizzadora · 02/03/2023 16:11

No she did not. The woman was riding illegally on the pavement and is therefore responsible for her own death. Its what's called an accident.

I believe the expression you are looking for is "victim blaming"

N27 · 02/03/2023 16:21

IHaveaSetOfVeryParticularSkills · 02/03/2023 16:08

Quite, but that is unfortunately a speculation which we will never confirm or deny.

Except we can confirm, as the pedestrian admitted making contact with the cyclist….

Divebar2021 · 02/03/2023 16:21

There’s something that sits between intentionally and accidentally and that’s recklessly. I don’t think that lady deliberately pushed the cyclist but she’s swearing in a loud manner and seems to step across the path of the cyclist leaving her nowhere to go. She could have kept close to the fence line and passed other easily. Could you foresee that someone might fall off a bike as a result of those types of actions? If you are elderly or not very confident you might choose to cycle on the path at certain parts of the journey due to road conditions. Would you accept someone stepping in front of your child because they were nervous about being on the road? The victim was 77 and clearly not cycling quickly. Leaving the scene of a fatal road accident and going off to do your food shopping also sends the message that you do not give a fuck.

gogohmm · 02/03/2023 16:21

I think it's the fact that rather than call the emergency services she went shopping that sealed her fate. In the case of an accident she would have called the emergency services and shown remorse