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To think this woman should not be put in prison?

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Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:31

Bizarre and very unfair Link

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murasaki · 02/03/2023 15:59

Did the driver who hit the cyclist get charged? I couldn't see that anywhere.

FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2023 16:00

From the footage I saw, I'm surprised that this was considered much more than an accident. Unless the police went to her home and found a wall of plans to push cyclists into traffic, then I think it's a stretch.

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 16:00

murasaki · 02/03/2023 15:59

Did the driver who hit the cyclist get charged? I couldn't see that anywhere.

No. Nothing they could have done.

AllDayBreakfast92 · 02/03/2023 16:00

Having watched the video I'm actually more conflicted. From the comments on here, I was expecting the pedestrian to 'swipe' at her or fling her arm aggressively but it was more of a conversational gesture, not even raising hand above waist height.

What's unforgivable is her just sauntering off to do her shop but I don't think she intended to do anything more than tell her to get off the pavement.

fairypeasant · 02/03/2023 16:00

Being a horrible person isn't a crime. This woman behaved like a horrible person.

But pedestrians had the right of way. A cyclist shouldn't have been going so fast down a shared path. The cyclist should have been able to quickly hop off the bike, and push. What on earth will be achieved by jailing this woman? Apart from ruin another life.

I hope she appeals.

Blort · 02/03/2023 16:01

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 02/03/2023 15:54

I didn't say she pushed her. I said she waasacting aggressively and swearing, and the woman on the bike was trying to avoid her and ended up in the road. That poor driver as well who hit her and couldn't do anything about it

Sorry completely agree. Think I quoted you and meant my post in relation to those saying she pushed her.

Theluggage15 · 02/03/2023 16:01

ReformedWaywardTeen · 02/03/2023 15:55

I think it's disgusting and if the cyclist had of been a younger person nothing would have come of it and it would've been death by misadventure.
She had no helmet on and was cycling at speed on a pavement, with no apparent shared use or cycle path, she came at a woman who was partially sighted.
I think there should be an outcry, the cyclist was at fault, she was going to fast and swerved to avoid a pedestrian. If she had of had a helmet on she would've survived.

The justice system in this country never ceases to amaze me at how it's totally heavy handed in some cases and overly lenient in others.

It never ceases to amaze me that people rant on without any idea of the actual facts. What’s age got to do with it? How would a helmet have saved her? How do you know she was cycling’at speed’? The rest of what you say is just drivel.

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 16:01

I think if that is the sentence for the crime she committed then yes off to prison she goes. The judge looked at mitigating factors including her disability and decided she can manage.

Ponderingwindow · 02/03/2023 16:01

I just watched the footage.

if a cyclist is approaching a pedestrian on a shared pavement they are supposed to slow down or stop as necessary, not pass close enough to them that an arm being moved or the pedestrian not moving out of the way could cause an accident. You are supposed to assume the pedestrian might panic and step into your path not even just hold still. If you aren’t accounting for that, you are riding too fast and passing too close.

AllWorkYoPlait · 02/03/2023 16:02

murasaki · 02/03/2023 15:59

Did the driver who hit the cyclist get charged? I couldn't see that anywhere.

Why would the driver be charged? That WAS an accident. There was no way they could've stopped. Pedestrian was completely reckless.

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Sugarplumfairy65 · 02/03/2023 16:02

Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:36

Ah ok, I looked for a discussion but couldn’t find it. Thanks.

Someone died but it was an accident. Pure and simple. Accidents do happen.

Her actions caused the victim to fall into the path of a car. She may not have intended to kill her, but she caused the accident.

ClaraThePigeon · 02/03/2023 16:02

Did the driver who hit the cyclist get charged? I couldn't see that anywhere.

No, because they were not at fault.

Jurors heard the vehicle had "no chance to stop or take avoiding action" and Mrs Ward was pronounced dead at the scene.

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 16:02

ReformedWaywardTeen · 02/03/2023 15:55

I think it's disgusting and if the cyclist had of been a younger person nothing would have come of it and it would've been death by misadventure.
She had no helmet on and was cycling at speed on a pavement, with no apparent shared use or cycle path, she came at a woman who was partially sighted.
I think there should be an outcry, the cyclist was at fault, she was going to fast and swerved to avoid a pedestrian. If she had of had a helmet on she would've survived.

The justice system in this country never ceases to amaze me at how it's totally heavy handed in some cases and overly lenient in others.

Would she? How do you know that?

JackiePlace · 02/03/2023 16:02

sweeneytoddsrazor · 02/03/2023 15:56

I haven't seen it but plenty of other posters on the other thread say she did. Thats why I said if.

Beware of hearsay.

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 02/03/2023 16:02

FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2023 16:00

From the footage I saw, I'm surprised that this was considered much more than an accident. Unless the police went to her home and found a wall of plans to push cyclists into traffic, then I think it's a stretch.

She has been convicted of manslaughter which is different to murder. No intent to cause harm in manslaughter but her actions caused the death of someone, so manslaughter

JenniferBarkley · 02/03/2023 16:03

Ponderingwindow · 02/03/2023 16:01

I just watched the footage.

if a cyclist is approaching a pedestrian on a shared pavement they are supposed to slow down or stop as necessary, not pass close enough to them that an arm being moved or the pedestrian not moving out of the way could cause an accident. You are supposed to assume the pedestrian might panic and step into your path not even just hold still. If you aren’t accounting for that, you are riding too fast and passing too close.

Exactly. Pedestrians can be blind, deaf, physically disabled, ND, elderly, children etc. There's no threshold of competence. The cyclist should have been pushing her bike.

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 16:03

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 02/03/2023 16:02

She has been convicted of manslaughter which is different to murder. No intent to cause harm in manslaughter but her actions caused the death of someone, so manslaughter

Yes I think people are misunderstanding the manslaughter term.

Tophy124 · 02/03/2023 16:03

Looked like an accident to me. If someone was shouting at me I’d stop and get off my bike. But then I wouldn’t be on the pavement in the first place and when driving I give cyclists a wide berth.

AllDayBreakfast92 · 02/03/2023 16:03

Sugarplumfairy65 · 02/03/2023 16:02

Her actions caused the victim to fall into the path of a car. She may not have intended to kill her, but she caused the accident.

So, if she'd startled the cyclist with a loud sneeze instead?

She seems pretty vile but it seems all, hse did was say "get off the fucking pavement".

WiIson · 02/03/2023 16:03

Someone died but it was an accident. Pure and simple. Accidents do happen.

Well she's got 3 years to reflect on how she can prevent herself causing such an accident again.

ClaraThePigeon · 02/03/2023 16:03

The cyclist should have been able to quickly hop off the bike, and push.

I wouldn't expect your average 77 year old woman to be able to quickly hop off a bike.

Blort · 02/03/2023 16:03

Lots of comments here implying a woman cycling towards an aggressive pedestrian had no option but to fall into road.

How about she presses the brakes and stops with her foot? Why is a collision inevitable?

She should have been able to stop if there was an elderly woman walking towards her. I realise woman is in 40s but bloody hell she looks old, and she also has CP.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 02/03/2023 16:03

murasaki · 02/03/2023 15:59

Did the driver who hit the cyclist get charged? I couldn't see that anywhere.

Exactly
They've scapegoated the woman.

She was doing nothing wrong. It's meant to be illegal to cycle on a pavement unless it's a defined cycle path.

I think it's awful that they ignored her partial sightedness, having a cyclist coming at speed is scary enough with full sight, I can't imagine how bad it is when you can barely see until it's right on you.

I could've been in a similar situation, I was walking up the pavement and one of those godforsaken deliveroo idiots came tearing round the corner at me. I couldn't see him as there was a high wall so he narrowly avoided hitting me at full speed and he had no helmet either. I jumped out the way and swore at him, because it genuine frightened me.
He then ends up going off the pavement into the road. Luckily nothing coming.

Would it have been my fault if he got hit? Or should us pedestrians now be expected to act as a buffer to entitled cyclists so they don't get hurt but we are fair game?

ReformedWaywardTeen · 02/03/2023 16:05

Blort · 02/03/2023 16:03

Lots of comments here implying a woman cycling towards an aggressive pedestrian had no option but to fall into road.

How about she presses the brakes and stops with her foot? Why is a collision inevitable?

She should have been able to stop if there was an elderly woman walking towards her. I realise woman is in 40s but bloody hell she looks old, and she also has CP.

This.
Totally the cyclist at fault. Going to fast, unaware of potential dangers.

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