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AIBU to not use the baby name we picked because she has used it?

234 replies

Elciekay · 28/02/2023 23:02

So I'll try to be as unemotional about this as possible and this is incredibly outing but I'm genuinely at a loss as what to do.

Also this is my first ever thread and I'm not 100% sure on all the MN acronyms!

I have a step-sister who I lived with since I was aged 6 until 15 (she went to university). Our family consists of my mum, brother, me and my sted-dad and two step-sisters.

DSS is 4 years older than me. She became pregnant last spring/summer. I became pregnant last summer. Her due date was 8 weeks before mine. Both expecting girls.

DSS told my mum she liked the name Josephine. My mum told her Elciekay has chosen that name.

DSS said 'oh well we are going to call her Joey and Elciekay can call hers Josie'

Fast forward to today and DSS has finally told my Mum she named her daughter Josphine (4 weeks old)

I am very upset as I had my heart set on Josephine/Josie.
I am due in 4 weeks.

So my question is, do I use the name anyway or not? Yes we have other options but none feel quite right.

For what it's worth the family get together now between 8-10 times a year.

So:

  • AIBU it's a name, who cares if they have the same name?
  • YANBU they can't have the same name, pick something else
OP posts:
Cornishsocks · 01/03/2023 07:08

This is something my step sister and I would do because we're so similar! (Isn't it weird how step sisters can be similar despite no shared genes!)

I dont think naming your baby after the baby you lost is a good idea? They're different babies. One isn't a replacement for the other.

I am no expert but surely you need to detach from "the name" to move forwards and heal.

I also think going no contact is rather silly. After all, you're more alike than you realise! Hence this issue in the first place.

Cornishsocks · 01/03/2023 07:11

Elciekay · 28/02/2023 23:52

I am however now wondering if I should just pick Josephine 😂

I love Josephine as a name. It's gorgeous!

pristinesurfacesGBTD · 01/03/2023 07:13

If naming your baby Josephine is what you want and will make you happy then do it.

You need to think about you and what you need to do in order to feel right. It doesn't matter what your ss or anyone else does or thinks.

Sorry for your loss.

AutumnIsHere21 · 01/03/2023 07:17

Josephine is a great name! If her daughter will be Joey and yours Josie, no one will ever even consider that they’re both Josephine!
our neighbour was a Josephine and she got called Jose (teenager). I work with an older Josephine who calls herself Jo. lots of options to differentiate, especially if you have different surnames.

Itsmyturnnow1 · 01/03/2023 07:21

Yes that was a big drip feed!! Her calling her baby your angel baby name, assuming she knew that name is very weird!! However, I would definitely not go on to use this name! That’s your angel baby’s name.. not a new baby’s name! I would find a new, unique name so you can remember your angel baby separately and also cause no upset!

MajorCarolDanvers · 01/03/2023 07:24

Use the name.

GiltEdges · 01/03/2023 07:24

Elciekay · 28/02/2023 23:27

@TheBigWangTheory it was presented as to allow first loss to live on through another? To feel like ive not necessarily lost first baby as shes part of this one.

I have zero counselling/training etc so no idea if this is/was a good thing to be told?!

And this is how you can tell that anyone can call themselves a counsellor. That is absolutely terrible and inappropriate advise. Your DD deserves to have a name that belongs to her alone.

abmac95 · 01/03/2023 07:25

I wouldnt use it. You are perfectly entitled to but personally I wouldn't.

RosesAndHellebores · 01/03/2023 07:27

I like your three alternatives very much.

I am.sorry about the loss of your first baby. Having been through similar, I think you need a different name. I think of DS2, b27 weeks, as a separate entity from DS1 and DD (DD being born 51 weeks later). I wouldn’t have used Alexandra for dd or Alexander had she been a boy because that name was DS2's alone.

Having said that we know a blended family with two Harry's, both aged 17 now. It hasn't been an issue.

Good luck.

RichardHeed · 01/03/2023 07:28

JudgeRudy · 01/03/2023 03:50

I don't find it nasty. Blunt maybe but there's no malice there. I find the term Angel Baby rather icky too (but not quite as bad as Rainbow Baby).

You know what’s more icky? Policing how people refer to their dead children.

Meandfour · 01/03/2023 07:29

Normally I say no but I think you can use it for the following reason;

  1. she said it was fine
  2. various nickname options
  3. you clearly aren’t close and don’t speak much
  4. you don’t see each other often

Its not like these children will be growing up together so I think it’s fine.

RichardHeed · 01/03/2023 07:31

Wishawisha · 01/03/2023 07:01

I can see this.

Just imagine being a teenager full of hormones and self loathing and thinking to yourself “I wonder what the real Josie would be like” or “if they’d had the first Josie, I wouldn’t be here”.

I think it’s great that as a society we are less secretive about miscarriage and stillbirth now but I think we do need to think carefully, amongst being so open, about the information we share with our children who are perhaps too young to understand.

I had a few miscarriages between DC 1 and 2 and I think I won’t share that information with my children until they’re older - perhaps adults thinking about their own fertility - it’s too much to put on children. Just my own decision.

Also OP I wouldn’t want to use a name a step sibling used. It sounds like you see them a lot (8-10x a year?) so it’s not like a cousin that you only see at weddings and funerals.

A teenager full of raging hormones could also be thinking “I wonder if the first baby had lived would I even exist” so by that logic we shouldn’t even go on to have babies post miscarriage just in case they might get upset as an irrational teenager.

DelphiniumBlue · 01/03/2023 07:31

Whataretheodds · 28/02/2023 23:30

Weird of her to name her baby after your baby that died.

Weird of the grief counsellor to suggest naming your next baby after the first one. 'allow first loss to live on through another' I'm astonished. The baby you're expecting now should be allowed to be its own person not a phantom of its dead sibling.

I agree with all of this.
Find another name for the sake of your baby.

Confusion101 · 01/03/2023 07:36

Elciekay · 01/03/2023 00:29

@Bensmum1988 unfortunately, Henrietta just doesn't sit right. A friend suggested I just use Hattie and forgo Harriet but I know I'm leaning towards a formal name and then a nickname.

But you might use the nickname but that doesn't mean everyone will. When she starts school she will be registered as Harriet and so teachers and friends might use her formal name then. I'd go with Hattie if that's what you plan on calling her all the time anyway and DSS can't say anything about that

harriethoyle · 01/03/2023 07:42

Elciekay · 28/02/2023 23:22

@TheBigWangTheory interesting perspective... aside from it being the name I've wanted since childhood, using it was recommended by my grief counsellor!

Honestly @Elciekay if I had been her I would have assumed you wouldn't use it because it was the name you picked for the daughter you lost. I find it a bizarre suggestion from your grief counsellor and wonder if your second daughter will always feel under the shadow of your first...

AliceS1994 · 01/03/2023 07:50

I would use it, it means so much to you I think you might always regret not doing it. Cousins having the same name is fine in my book, and as others have said it's very common in certain cultures, religions etc. and just where families have multi generational names. You will be able to differentiate, it will be a minor inconvenience at worst, but that's better than you always wishing yous done it. That aside, it was horrible of her to use the name in my opinion....

Fansandblankets · 01/03/2023 07:56

TheBigWangTheory · 28/02/2023 23:25

I would find that utterly bizarre from a grief counsellor. If you've already attached to a foetus enough to name it, why would you then give the name to another child?
I know people used to call new babies after previous ones that lived and died, but that wouldn;t be seen as normal now.

Agree with this.

ive had several miscarriages but not so late that I knew the sex or named them. If I’d lost a baby late enough to know the sex and give them a name I wouldn’t use that name for any subsequent children.

in this situation for that reason alone I’d find a new name.

FishandChipsarelife · 01/03/2023 07:56

I actually prefer all your alternatives. My niece has just had a baby and her middle name is the name of my SILs baby that died a few hours after birth. Its a lovely touch.

Bournetilly · 01/03/2023 07:56

I’m sorry for your loss.

I personally wouldn’t name baby the same as your baby who passed away. I would use Harriet as a middle name though.

I do like Hattie on it’s own, could that be an option?
Also really like the name Josephine/ Josie.

LookItsMeAgain · 01/03/2023 08:00

@Elciekay - congratulations on your pregnancy. Sincere condolences on your earlier loss.

Can I suggest that you stop telling your family all of your decisions, all of your details, and so on? The less information of this type that they know, the less information of this type that they can share with others, reducing the likelihood of someone 'taking' a name that you had earmarked for your own use.

No need to be rude if asked, just deflect the question.

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 01/03/2023 08:03

Hattie and Harry are quite different so I wouldn't let that bother me, only you know whether having the same name as the baby you lost would be an issue for you.

kimchifix · 01/03/2023 08:03

You could use it as a middle name or give it as the first name on the birth certificate but call the baby by the middle name. My father is known by his middle name and always had been as his first name was the "family" name & there were loads of them. This is obviously discounting any future discussions with your child about the planned use of the name for the lost older sibling.

Alternatively, I like Mattie which is similar. If your DSS knew about all of this I think she's been insensitive, but there's nothing you can do about that now. Maybe this baby deserves a name no one can associate with any of this stuff - her own unique name? Use Harriet as her middle in honour of her sister. That's what I would do I think.

WoofWoofBeachLife · 01/03/2023 08:03

Use Harriet as a middle name and choose an individual first one for her. Then you still have the rememberence of your loss, and your baby is an individual in her own right. X

SoonBeTeaTime · 01/03/2023 08:10

DelphiniumBlue · 01/03/2023 07:31

I agree with all of this.
Find another name for the sake of your baby.

This was exactly my thinking too, but I didn't want to get jumped on for saying it. I'm not convinced naming a baby the same as the one you lost is a good idea, I'm surprised a counsellor would suggest this.

I'd find a completely new name.

TeenLifeMum · 01/03/2023 08:14

I find it more odd that she’d choose the name of the baby her dss lost. Give your lovely Dd her own name with Harriet as the middle name. That’s a special link to her sister without being in the shadow.

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