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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To charge DH for my lost earnings?

349 replies

Wiwi · 27/02/2023 11:33

My DH is a contractor and will soon need to look for another role hes been WFH for 4 years. I've found WFH one but it's not as much pay as canary wharf 5 days per week which will mean he will live at his mums and commute in. We have never really shared finances wholly,
I work in a job with unsociable hours , I make good money but I have to leave at 8-9pm I work compressed hours. If DH takes the canary wharf jobm y earning power will be severely impacted as I need to care for my DD. I have no outside help.

I've told DH that he will either have to top up my wages to how much I've lost or pay for a nanny. I also have a health condition and compressed hours make it easier to manage.
DH is saying I'm being unreasonable and that it's good he's earning more money but I don't believe it's beneficial in anyway to my life. I would rather he took the job with less pay so I am able to work as I need too.

I feel I have financial independence at the moment and the working away would make me feel vulnerable. AIBU?

OP posts:
Botw1 · 27/02/2023 19:47

@Wiwi

You shouldn't have to give up your career
Mn just has this weird bias against shift work and a double standard for working mums.

Dads? They can fuck off altogether but God forbid a mum work

Lindyloomillion1 · 27/02/2023 19:48

Doesn't sound like you like him much

SvartePetter · 27/02/2023 19:50

Commiserations. I think I'd just blankly look at him and ask who is going to look after DD when I am at work. This childcare is his issue to sort as far as I am concerned.

Ellyess · 27/02/2023 19:50

Hi Wiwi
Everything fell into place when I read your post at 15:08 today, Monday 27th.

You talk in terms of wanting to be financially secure and see yourself as needing a career and hours that are suitable for your health condition. But you do not see that this is completely the case because you have a husband who does not support you as a mother. You said if you won the lottery you would stay at home with your DD all the time. She sounds lovely btw and I'm sure you are trying not to sound like a boastful mother. I also suspect your decision to stop at one child is because her father gave you no financial support while you were at home with her and that is nonviable. Indeed I see it as you looking after two children at the moment, since your DH is by no means an adult. He does not take on his adult responsibilities. He did not give you enough to raise your daughter - his own daughter - and keep the house and yourself while you were a FTM. Then out of the blue he just wants to breeze off for 5 days and nights a week and stay with his mummy for free while she pampers him (and that's why he hasn't grown up) and come back at weekends. It's not as if you married a man in the Navy. Anyway, a Navy man would have given you plenty of house-keeping. This man is just selfish. Mean, self-centred and doesn't care about you or his daughter.

Why am I so unkind in my bluntness? Because I supported one such man for 23 years. Never given a penny. Never given any help in the house. He would pop off and do as he pleased and I wouldn't even know where he was. I had to work to just buy sanitary towels. My children would not have had clothes, birthday presents or gifts to take to birthday parties if I did not work. But he didn't approve of child-minders and when I had to have them I of course paid for them. I was his wife but he never paid for anything or gave me any money towards the household budget or for the children's needs or for holidays which he came on but I paid for.

Don't do it Wiwi. This incident has led you to reach out to us strangers. See it as the time things became clear to you. You aren't a career-driven, not made to stay at home with children, prefers to be earning person! You are a normal woman who has raised a lovely daughter and who was put through the hell of raising her in her younger years with no money even though the child had a dad at home earning his own money! It was this cruel, unbearable situation that made you determined never to be penniless again. But it was not your fault you were kept with no money and a baby to bring up! Your husband was cruel and abusive. To expect you to live without money is abuse.

You'd have been better off as a single mum on benefits! You are a very intelligent and resourceful woman who saw that the no-money situation was untenable. So you did what you thought best - found a way you could earn money and care for your lovely child. But it is very difficult to do this, and your DH (I don't think 'dear' is right), didn't bother to do his bit. He saw you earning as a great bonus to not need to give you anything. He's an irresponsible selfish little boy.

Of course he wants the job that pays the most when he keeps it for himself and doesn't give his family the support other married men with a child do! Of course he wants the cushy number in London, nice and near mum's where he stays for free and is waited on hand and foot while you look after the home and his child on your own despite your health. He is a totally irresponsible, selfish oaf!

You have been unable to see it and have made excuses for him, blaming yourself, because, well, it's what we do. I thought nobody would believe me for a start. Then there were the people who worked with my husband who thought he was great. He made jokes. I was too embarrassed to say I hadn't any money. I pretended I wanted to follow my career. But I was in pain.

I think you are in pain Wiwi. And you don't deserve to be.

That oaf who's just been out on his bike for a ride should be taking the job that enables you and his DD, to have the best lives you possibly can with his help and his blessing, supported by money willingly paid from his wages so that your daily lives are as perfect as possible. The needs of his wife and child should come before anything else in his life.

Right now he should thank you for the wonderful way you have worked so hard to support the family and ask you if you'd prefer to carry on in the job with the same hours and he'll take the local work on the lower pay, or you give up work or change it a bit or a lot and he be away in the week earning more and sending home money to keep the home and you ticking over. He should be offering this and wanting to discuss it with you. The final decision must be what is best for your health. But he must support his family financially straight away.

My youngest took a year out before University. She was living at home for a couple of months. She paid me the difference in the Council Charge because when she was a Student I got a reduction for being the only adult. (My husband died). I did not ask her. What a difference between a teenager just left school and a married man with a well-paid job who does not give his wife money to raise their child!

God bless you Wiwi and your lovely daughter. If he does not behave like an adult and a loving husband and father, ditch him. You have proved that you are better off without him. Let the Court decide what he pays for child-care.

Let him read this.....

Sellsellseller · 27/02/2023 19:52

You sound selfish. You should both foot the bill.
He needs to earn money too, especially as you don’t even share.

NickyT64 · 27/02/2023 19:52

To be honest you sound like you’re describing a corporate business arrangement rather than a marriage. Nothing wrong with having separate bank accounts but surely your childcare arrangements should be at least a joint decision. Have you decided this to be a short-term thing to bolster your savings? Have you had any discussions with your husband about all this? Sorry but it just all sounds so cold and emotionless.

YDBear · 27/02/2023 19:56

Surely it's up to him to pay for childcare for the DD if you you have separate finances. The only question that needs to be addressed is whether his new job salary makes it worth the trouble to go in to work rather hen WFH for less after the childcare costs have been paid. It's up to him but certainly not your responsibility.

Suuudohnym · 27/02/2023 19:57

Dweetfidilove · 27/02/2023 12:35

DH is saying I'm being unreasonable and that it's good he's earning more money but I don't believe it's beneficial in anyway to my life.

I have no more useful advice than has already been offered, but this is so sad. You're meant to be a team, improving each other's lives as your 'fortunes' improve.

Yup, this.
I find it really hard to understand couples who see their relationship as some kind of financial exchange.

ZiriForEver · 27/02/2023 19:59

Sellsellseller · 27/02/2023 19:52

You sound selfish. You should both foot the bill.
He needs to earn money too, especially as you don’t even share.

Have you read the OP?
He earns more and he is still capable of earning more, even without going for London job. He never really shared his money, not when the OP spent 6 years covering the childcare.
He currently covers the care about a half of workdays, the OP the other half.
He wants to run away from his half.
How is OP being the selfish one here?

Petlover9 · 27/02/2023 20:00

Hawkins003 · 27/02/2023 18:56

Reading with intrigue

I think we all are ! VERY unusual situation, not a normal marriage, more a business arrangement IMHO

Buggersticks · 27/02/2023 20:01

@KimberleyClark I also read 'earrings' 😆

rowanoak · 27/02/2023 20:04

This is crazy that you're married but don't share finances together and instead do the tit for that dance about who makes more or topping up each other's salaries. I would never want to be in a "marriage" like this but since you're in one, I guess keep doing things the way you always have and send him a bill at his mummy's house where he lives, which is also a situation I would never ever want any part of in my marriage.

Or maybe just dump him and find someone you're more compatible with and who makes about the same amount as you do since money seems to be your most important consideration inf a relationship?

Codlingmoths · 27/02/2023 20:07

The op is getting a very unfair pasting. If my husband decided to work away to earn more and we didn’t share finances and he wanted to bullshit me that this is any way benefited me or his child left to manage without him, then he wouldn’t be allowed back.

mellicauli · 27/02/2023 20:12

I think maybe try family mediation. If he refuses, you might as well divorce and let the court decides who pays.

In the meantime, maybe could you find a responsible student in as a lodger? Free rent for 3 nights babysitting.

justasking111 · 27/02/2023 20:17

Wiwi · 27/02/2023 13:11

I don't see why I should have to share the cost of the nanny when it is his choice to get a job in London. He doesn't have too there's WFH jobs albeit paying 525 instead of 600-700 per day but also I cannot work and I get 325-425 per day so it's a net loss .if I find another job I struggle with 9-5 and it will mean a huge pay cut for me. He will also have to pay huge taxes on the extra 75- £125 he makes.

@Wiwi are you saying that between you your income will reduce?

CatJumperTwat · 27/02/2023 20:19

Wiwi · 27/02/2023 15:11

I don't want to divorce we are just both very strong willed more so me nowadays. I really like having independence and my own money.

But what is the point of this marriage? He cares so little about the family that he wants to move out, and you care so little that your only concern is how that impacts your earnings, not that your husband is moving hours away.

AlliWantIsARoomSomewheeeere · 27/02/2023 20:19

Wiwi · 27/02/2023 12:22

That's not an option for me I value my financial independence too much. I've seen far too many women being screwed over. I guess a nanny will be only the option DH will have to foot the bill. He might change his mind to WFH if he's having to pay out.

We are a military unaccompanied family, OH is away 70-75% of the year, we have 2 children, so my ability to work is massively impacted.
We have a joint account for just household bills. (including childcare) We pay a set amount in and the rest we keep. BUT He pays 90% of it, where as I pay 10% and day to day costs whilst he is away, kids food, clothes, petrol etc. This is fair balance, leaving him paying about 75% of our outgoings with me doing 75% of the parenting. If his job limits your earning potential and doing more than 50% of the childcare, then he should definitely be putting more finances into the joint pot! either by paying for a nanny or topping up what you lose.

You dont have to pool all your money for a relationship to work, but it should be fair contributions to the family over all.
do you have a joint account for bills or just pay different bills??

StarsSand · 27/02/2023 20:23

Lindyloomillion1 · 27/02/2023 19:48

Doesn't sound like you like him much

It doesn't sound like there is much to like.

Btjdkfnn · 27/02/2023 20:34

Going to live away from his family for 5 days per week is not a good choice for him. He would absent himself from the home for all of those days and not see his child, never mind take care of her. Has his mum not said that to him?

Your marriage will fall apart under these conditions. Not all marriages do, but that's probably because in the ones that don't fall apart, both consent to the situation upfront. You aren't consenting.

In any case, keep your job as it is and ask him to pay for all of the required childcare that he is absenting himself from.

Neverknowinglyunderbold · 27/02/2023 20:34

Wow. This doesn’t sound like a marriage. Why on earth are the two of you together?

Given the money you say you earn, the two of you should be able to afford a live-in nanny for the days he is away.

Instead of doing what’s best for the children and the family on the whole, both of you are completely focused on money and seem to be in competition with each other over your finances.

This is a very novel approach to being a family and a marriage.

Ellyess · 27/02/2023 20:54

It's obvious to me that our OP loves her DD and wants the best for her. Some comments suggest she talks about finances more, but it's the finances that underpin her daughter's care!. At the moment OP is working 3 full days with the odd extra one a week. That means she is at home more than at work but still earning a full-time wage more or less and keeping her toe on the ladder work promotion wise. That's my vocab for it btw. I think it's a good plan while DH is WFH.
What really alarms me is DH attitude to his pay. Apparently it's all his almost. Witness when OP was at home alone with DD from baby-6yrs feeling vulnerable; she had no money! He gave his wife, who was alone with his baby, no money! No wonder she needs the security of her own job, knowing she can provide for herself and her child! I don't know, but she may even have been fairly young when on her own with her baby and no money. It must have been awful. It certainly explains a lot to me.
Now, this husband seems bent on going off again and leaving his wife and child all week while he gets more money all for himself. He does not take responsibility for his daughter for whom he cares after school three days a week. Suddenly he just intends to drop her. Thus leaving her mother to find somebody to care for her from end of school until she arrives home later. Our OP takes this as her responsibility - to organise her daughter's care. But it is the daughter's father who intends to just abandon his responsibility to his daughter. It does not seem to occur to him to say he can't be away at work 5 days as he has responsibilities at home from 3.30 on 3 afternoons! What kind of selfish shit is he? If he's going to a higher paid job then he'll have to pay a child minder. Poor daughter. But that isn't really the point. It's his disregard for the two females in his life and his attitude that he does not have to contribute towards the family in a fair manner like other husbands and fathers, that sickens me.
So he gambles and buys expensive motor bikes and is mean. Leaves his wife and baby on their own for 6 yrs with no money. Decides to change job and leave wife and DD again without any concern for wife's job and giving her no housekeeping. Especially selfish, considering extra expenses he is causing by going away and that he's pocketing extra money for himself.
He really is a bag of what I said earlier and I don't really like being vulgar.

OK, I was like our OP. Desperately unhappy at home with baby and no money. I found a way to cope - going back to work.... earning my own money.... It was a nightmare fitting everything in... I took on all the responsibility, kept up the show, made it all look ok. Until I got ill. You do get ill eventually, the woman that is, having to be the one keeping it all running.. - exhaustion. Ultimately I realised he was abusing me. 20 years later...

I'm hoping Wiwi realises much sooner that 'he makes me laugh' isn't enough.
Because he is not going to change. Especially if he goes to stay with mummy Mon-Fri for the next 4 yrs.

Hawkins003 · 27/02/2023 20:57

Petlover9 · 27/02/2023 20:00

I think we all are ! VERY unusual situation, not a normal marriage, more a business arrangement IMHO

Certainly seems that way almost like I'm the CEO and you'll pay for my time ect, kinda reminds me of how Leonard mum is with Leonard in the big bang theory

NettleTea · 27/02/2023 21:05

Ellyess · 27/02/2023 19:50

Hi Wiwi
Everything fell into place when I read your post at 15:08 today, Monday 27th.

You talk in terms of wanting to be financially secure and see yourself as needing a career and hours that are suitable for your health condition. But you do not see that this is completely the case because you have a husband who does not support you as a mother. You said if you won the lottery you would stay at home with your DD all the time. She sounds lovely btw and I'm sure you are trying not to sound like a boastful mother. I also suspect your decision to stop at one child is because her father gave you no financial support while you were at home with her and that is nonviable. Indeed I see it as you looking after two children at the moment, since your DH is by no means an adult. He does not take on his adult responsibilities. He did not give you enough to raise your daughter - his own daughter - and keep the house and yourself while you were a FTM. Then out of the blue he just wants to breeze off for 5 days and nights a week and stay with his mummy for free while she pampers him (and that's why he hasn't grown up) and come back at weekends. It's not as if you married a man in the Navy. Anyway, a Navy man would have given you plenty of house-keeping. This man is just selfish. Mean, self-centred and doesn't care about you or his daughter.

Why am I so unkind in my bluntness? Because I supported one such man for 23 years. Never given a penny. Never given any help in the house. He would pop off and do as he pleased and I wouldn't even know where he was. I had to work to just buy sanitary towels. My children would not have had clothes, birthday presents or gifts to take to birthday parties if I did not work. But he didn't approve of child-minders and when I had to have them I of course paid for them. I was his wife but he never paid for anything or gave me any money towards the household budget or for the children's needs or for holidays which he came on but I paid for.

Don't do it Wiwi. This incident has led you to reach out to us strangers. See it as the time things became clear to you. You aren't a career-driven, not made to stay at home with children, prefers to be earning person! You are a normal woman who has raised a lovely daughter and who was put through the hell of raising her in her younger years with no money even though the child had a dad at home earning his own money! It was this cruel, unbearable situation that made you determined never to be penniless again. But it was not your fault you were kept with no money and a baby to bring up! Your husband was cruel and abusive. To expect you to live without money is abuse.

You'd have been better off as a single mum on benefits! You are a very intelligent and resourceful woman who saw that the no-money situation was untenable. So you did what you thought best - found a way you could earn money and care for your lovely child. But it is very difficult to do this, and your DH (I don't think 'dear' is right), didn't bother to do his bit. He saw you earning as a great bonus to not need to give you anything. He's an irresponsible selfish little boy.

Of course he wants the job that pays the most when he keeps it for himself and doesn't give his family the support other married men with a child do! Of course he wants the cushy number in London, nice and near mum's where he stays for free and is waited on hand and foot while you look after the home and his child on your own despite your health. He is a totally irresponsible, selfish oaf!

You have been unable to see it and have made excuses for him, blaming yourself, because, well, it's what we do. I thought nobody would believe me for a start. Then there were the people who worked with my husband who thought he was great. He made jokes. I was too embarrassed to say I hadn't any money. I pretended I wanted to follow my career. But I was in pain.

I think you are in pain Wiwi. And you don't deserve to be.

That oaf who's just been out on his bike for a ride should be taking the job that enables you and his DD, to have the best lives you possibly can with his help and his blessing, supported by money willingly paid from his wages so that your daily lives are as perfect as possible. The needs of his wife and child should come before anything else in his life.

Right now he should thank you for the wonderful way you have worked so hard to support the family and ask you if you'd prefer to carry on in the job with the same hours and he'll take the local work on the lower pay, or you give up work or change it a bit or a lot and he be away in the week earning more and sending home money to keep the home and you ticking over. He should be offering this and wanting to discuss it with you. The final decision must be what is best for your health. But he must support his family financially straight away.

My youngest took a year out before University. She was living at home for a couple of months. She paid me the difference in the Council Charge because when she was a Student I got a reduction for being the only adult. (My husband died). I did not ask her. What a difference between a teenager just left school and a married man with a well-paid job who does not give his wife money to raise their child!

God bless you Wiwi and your lovely daughter. If he does not behave like an adult and a loving husband and father, ditch him. You have proved that you are better off without him. Let the Court decide what he pays for child-care.

Let him read this.....

exactly this, but please DONT let him read this.

I can fully understand why you want to give yourself financial secuurity after the way he treated you. And I have also taken on board that you have medical needs that mean a 3 day long shift is better for you, and gives you 4 full days with your DD.

i really think you should leave this bloke, he is only going to drag you down to be honest, no matter how much money 'appears' to be sloshing around your marriage.

He is not saving for a future - he will probably be happy to live off YOUR pension if he doesnt have one himself, or want to share money if you out earn him as your career progresses.

at least if you seperate before your pension is too big, you can avoid that, and he will need to pay maintanance for your DD

NettleTea · 27/02/2023 21:07

how old are you OP, and who's idea was the baby? Did you discuss how the finances would work before you got pregnant? were you working FT?

Led9519 · 27/02/2023 21:08

I’d cost out a breakfast club (not sure they start as early as you need) and after school Nanny three days a week. If you’d end up paying her in salary, pension etc more than dh would earn extra by taking a London job then there’s no business case for it. I’d simply state that you’re not prepared to change your shift pattern and compromise your own earnings. Therefore he has two options, take a hybrid job locally or a London job and pay for a Nanny to cover the childcare he’s not able to provide. You need to work out which is more financially viable. I’d take him compensating you out of it as I don’t think you’d ever see the money and sounds like compressed hours work for you.

In all of this make sure DD is spared the detail. I’ve heard of one child becoming such a “burden” to their self employed parents they ultimately felt worthless and started having mh issues. I’m sure that’s not the case but make sure she doesn’t feel like one!