So Camilla is Queen now?

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Headlines in the papers talking about what the Queen said yesterday at a reception.

I thought we had a King and a Queen Consort.

Phillip wasn't a King.

AIBU to think calling Camilla the Queen instead of the Queen Consort is going too far?

This was done for a specific reason
.... the Stewart dynasty had run out of non catholic heirs. Cant remember which monarch was which, but parliment declared that James Stewart could not be King as he was a catholic. Also....he would have ruled as an absolute monarch, and parliment had acquired powers that it was reluctant to give up.

William came from Holland and he and Mary ruled as joint protestant monarchs, but accepted the authority of parliment.

Effectively we kicked out one king and replaced him with a joint King / Queen. The laws governing how the crown was to be passed on were formalised (which prevented future wars of succession) and Britain became a constitutional monarchy. The "non violent, Glorious Revolution". Although, as Lucy Worsely said so beautifully, the revolution was anything but non violent and glorious if you happened to be Scotish or Irish!

Maybe Camilla should have been known by her most senior title all these years. She was Camilla, Princess of Wales. And now her husband is King, she is known as Queen Camilla, not Duchess of Edinburgh or another more junior title, some people seem rather put out.

That's really interesting thank you, I've not done a whole lot of reading around this specific period of time in history but I think I am going to now off the back of this

I really appreciate you taking the time to explain it

I thought she was going to be Queen Camilla because she's the wife of a King.

Queen Elizabeth was a queen regnant, ranking equivalent to king.

Queen Camilla is a queen consort because she is the wife of a king.

Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother was always just Queen Elizabeth when her husband was still alive.

Being pedantic - she was HRH The Princess of Wales.

Camilla, Princess of Wales suggests the divorced wife of the POW (as Diana was post divorce).

Technically Camilla (and Catherine, Sophie etc) didn’t use her first name in any title from marriage until she became HM Queen Camilla.

She has been Queen Camilla or The Queen since the day that Queen Elizabeth II died.
But I think Queen Consort was used initially to avoid confusion as "The Queen" still only meant one person to all of us.
But as time passes, of course the clumsy Queen Consort thing will be dropped. Camilla is the wife of The King - therefore she is The Queen.
Oh, and she is fabulous!

She's married to a King so she's a Queen. Everything else, regnant and consort and dowager and all that bollocks, is just arbitrary styling for a bunch of made-up titles.

YABU.

YABMU for starting a frothy thread.

Regnant and Consort definitely means something (I mean if we work on the assumption that King means something and Queen means something...).

Queen in her own right is an important distinction, and certainly not arbitrary!

Nah, it's made up. It's based on a flawed premise, that someone has a birthright to rule a country. In reality, the King and Queen is whoever the army says it is. At the moment they say it is Philip, so he gets to wear the fancy hat, good for him, and his wife is considered to be a/the Queen. All the rest of it, royal stylings and titles and so on, is fabricated rubbish, and I recommend that OP doesn't get too fussed about it.

Surely by that reasoning all of it is fabricated rubbish, which was my point. Your premise is flawed. It’s either all made up nonsense, or it’s valid within the system. You can’t really have it one way or the other...

Sorry, one way and the other at once! Not getting my words out today but in my defence I do have an excuse as I’m not well.

William III was in the line of succession anyway so I assume that was why he was asked. His mother was the eldest daughter of Charles I.

AIBU to think calling Camilla the Queen instead of the Queen Consort is going too far

A step too far?? No it's the title she should be using as wife of the Monarch

I think the Consort part has been used initially while we get used to the new Monarchy. I know for the first few months after her death I still thought of QEII when anyone mentioned the Queen.

Its time the Consort bit was dropped, it always has been in the past

She is a Queen consort. But as is the way of things, I am sure over time it will be dropped. It is easier to just say Queen.

She is queen - the wife of a king.

QEII was queen regnant - Camilla is queen consort - both are referred to as ‘the queen’. Kate will also be ‘the queen’ when William ascends the throne, but I bet far fewer people will Moab about that.

Mary was above him in the line of succession, daughter of james stewart. However, the rules of succession had been set out then so the question of who had precedence is really arbitrary. William arrived with an army and could have fought to claim the crown for himself, the "joint monarchs" thing was a compromise solution to keep the peace (at least in England). Once William and Mary were installed the rules of succession were formalised so it was clear who could / could not be king / queen.

The Stewarts were not happy with this and made two big attempts to come back and claim their throne by violence. Quite strange to think we'd have an entirely different king if they'd succeeded.

....had not been set out....

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Go tell Wikipedia. I bet they're just waiting for you right now.

I don't care either 😳😋

This is exactly what I was going to say

Has anyone blamed Harry and Meghan yet? They must have something to do with this step too far.

Why would anyone blame them for the rules of the Constitutional Monarchy? How strange.

I saw it on the headline of a newspaper (cant remember which one) in the shop just now and i did a double take as it confused me.
But its not something i have an issue with she is the Kings wife she is a Queen no issue i think.