So Camilla is Queen now?

[cakeorwine]

Headlines in the papers talking about what the Queen said yesterday at a reception.

I thought we had a King and a Queen Consort.

Phillip wasn't a King.

AIBU to think calling Camilla the Queen instead of the Queen Consort is going too far?

Very true and 😁 😂 😀 🤣

Allegedly the "who is the Prime Minister?" test failed in Thatcher's later years because even the most severely impaired patients could still say "Maggie!/Thatcher!" depending on their politics. When Major was appointed it failed again, as perfectly competent individuals were drawing a blank.

QuietlyConfident

That's exactly what I was reminded of - it was amazing how long that lasted in people's minds.

They won’t need to add anything. She’ll just be Queen Camilla, since no one will confuse her with Queen Catherine.

Elizabeth was Queen Mother because she had the same name as Elizabeth II so it was necessary to distinguish between them.

Tbf there have been times over the last few years I probably would go through 2 or 3 names before I get to the right one

I also keep forgetting Liz Truss's name, it's just blanking on me for some reason, i have issues with names anyway, and so I keep having to go 'The ones that's not as good as a lettuce' which would have surely convinced doctors I had brain issues in that scenario 😂

1. Queen Consort sound stupid
2. I don’t give a shit anyway

I've just seen an advert for the 'Queens reading room' - looks like some sort of literary festival that's being put on at one of the palaces

royalreadingroom.uk/?fbclid=PAAab9Y2Thl_EeLc9DxM0XKNyCm0FULwoa6wZaixulxKUaNHRmSEByGX-qeHU

I really don’t think that’s why. To begin with they were worried about a backlash from unhinged Diana worshippers, that’s all. And more recently it may also have been due to The Queen having meant Elizabeth II for 70 years, so that most people would automatically think of her when it’s said.

She’s not ‘lesser’ in any way for being Queen Consort - A Queen by marriage to a King is always Queen Consort. They’re just using the title of her position rather than the usual title a Queen Consort uses (just plain Queen).

I know she would be a queen consort regardless

But as you say, it's the unhinged Diana worshipers that seem to be so focused in her being 'consort'

Hence my point it's because she is a 'fallen' woman so they want to try to make her sound lesser by insisting on the consort bit being used because they think it makes her sound less that Queen would by itself

I understand the press using it to start off with to make things less confusing but I am talking about the people now who are adamant it should remain Queen Consort because otherwise its 'going too far'

The only way it can be going too far is if those people think Queen sounds 'more' than Queen consort - hence they want her to have the 'lesser' title

Good. I’m not a monarchist but I like her. They should have been allowed to marry decades ago.

Oh I see what you mean!

I think people need to give up on the sainthood of Diana thing, tbh. She was clearly a lovely person in some ways, and deeply flawed in others.

Im sorry you so often struggle with threads.

The point is that the OP ASKED if she was being unreasonable. People are invited to reply.

which is entirely different than threads about the Royals in that topic.

@cakeorwine YABU for the reasons that have already been stated.

YA(also) BU to start a thread about it without looking at the history/tradition/protocol around it.

Years ago, I too would have bristled, but actually although I don't agree with all the carry on when Diana was alive, I don't agree with him basically being made to marry Diana and I think Camilla has been good for Charles & he'll be a much better King for it.

As for the 'Prince Charles, I mean King'. My brain is struggling with anything other than The Queen, and startles when King is mentioned. I'm sticking to Charles. King Charles just does not seem right. King William even less so, a man you've seen as a newborn, just can't be right! (I hope for both Charles & Williams sakes it's a long way off!)

Absolutely, I totally agree

Of course Camilla is the Queen. Why on earth wouldn't she be?

Nobody in history has ever continually been called Queen Consort. Anyone who thought Camilla would always be referred to as Queen Consort has been living on another planet.

As for this idiotic and ridiculous deification of Diana, it really must stop! She was no saint and she has been dead for over 25 years now. Move on FGS.

Queen Anne Boleyn did. As did Queen Jane Seymour and Queen Katherine Howard.

Hell, the Church of England was established because Henry VIII wanted to get a divorce, so it’s not like ‘an adulterer shouldn’t be head of the Church of England’ stands up to any scrutiny either.

Well she is isn't she?

All monarch's wives are Queen, including divorcees. In the 12th century Eleanor of Aquitaine, Queen of England and wife of Henry II was a divorcee, having previously been unhappily married to Louis VII for 15 years. She married Henry as soon as her separation was formalised.

Technically the first marriage was annulled, but this was merely political / theological. It was, in modern terms, a divorce. The marriage produced 2 children.

So, there is precedent. Why anyone expected her to be called anything else is beyond me. There is no precedent for that.

@BooCrew

This! What a saint…👌ready to bury head lol but oh forgot - I’m not bothered about the Queen of hearts

This does not impact my life in any way so I really don't care what anyone calls her. I'm sure she never gives me a second thought either.

Because its a woman, a 'fallen' woman at that in some peoples eyes so obviously it's dar to inconvenient for them if they can instead insist on calling her consort to emphasise her lesser status

Consort just means wife of the king, as opposed to Queen Regnant, i.e ruling in her own right. It isn't a lesser title because she didn't give birth to the heir to the throne, it isn't a lesser title because she's a 'fallen woman,' it's because she's the wife of the king and Queen Consort is her official title - which will no doubt be dropped in time once everyone's got used to the fact we now have a king, not a queen regnant.

I'm copying and pasting my answer to a different poster below so I appreciate some of it doesn't apply to your post but it's essentially the same thing

*I know she would be a queen consort regardless

But as you say, it's the unhinged Diana worshipers that seem to be so focused in her being 'consort'

Hence my point it's because she is a 'fallen' woman so they want to try to make her sound lesser by insisting on the consort bit being used because they think it makes her sound less that Queen would by itself

I understand the press using it to start off with to make things less confusing but I am talking about the people now who are adamant it should remain Queen Consort because otherwise its 'going too far'

The only way it can be going too far is if those people think Queen sounds 'more' than Queen consort - hence they want her to have the 'lesser' title*

Yes I can't imagine many of those demanding that Camilla retain "Consort" in her title will be calling for the same when it's Kate's turn, nor that they would have been for Diana.

Dowager Queen is a thing, but unless William marries a new wife called Camilla it won’t be necessary. She’ll just be HM Queen Camilla. Same as HM Queen Mary and HM Queen Alexandra were after being widowed.

The onky change will be that she would no longer be HM The Queen, which she is at the moment as the King’s wife.

The only time Dowager, Queen Mother PE Consort are used is too differentiate between people. Mary and Alexandra were Queen Mothers but never needed to use the title. The only QEQM did was because her daughter had the same name.

That’s the only reason consort is being used sometimes atm. It would have been confusing if the BBC had announced that “King Charles will return to London tomorrow accompanied by the Queen. Princess Anne will accompany her mother’s body on the return to London” for example.

once people get into the way of thinking that HM The Queen = Camilla the consort bit will vanish.

Same as HM Queen Mary and HM Queen Alexandra were after being widowed.

Queen Mary was always "old Queen Mary" to my mother; as a child, I actually thought that was part of her title.

THIS IN SPADES

Queen is the title and consort is the job description