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So Camilla is Queen now?

269 replies

cakeorwine · 24/02/2023 07:10

Headlines in the papers talking about what the Queen said yesterday at a reception.

I thought we had a King and a Queen Consort.

Phillip wasn't a King.

AIBU to think calling Camilla the Queen instead of the Queen Consort is going too far?

OP posts:
MrsSkylerWhite · 24/02/2023 22:50

StaunchMomma · Today 16:32
Fuck. THAT!!

She's no Queen in my eyes and I very much doubt I'm alone“

Why?

Blossomtoes · 24/02/2023 22:56

Whenharrymetsmelly · 24/02/2023 22:48

I'm not into the RF by any means but it seems weird without QE, despite the sordid history, she had class. Queen for Camilla or Kate just seems wrong, I'm sure they're both lovely but there's just no comparison. The whole thing seems so archaic although I guess it should stay for constitutional reasons which is the best option

What “sordid history”? She never put a foot wrong.

Lucinda7 · 24/02/2023 23:20

It doesn't matter what title Camilla has. Diana is the mother of the next king and grandmother of the one after that. Diana was real aristocracy and very beautiful.

ConfusedNT · 24/02/2023 23:23

Lucinda7 · 24/02/2023 23:20

It doesn't matter what title Camilla has. Diana is the mother of the next king and grandmother of the one after that. Diana was real aristocracy and very beautiful.

Oh well if she was very beautiful then she is clearly more worthy, because obviously judging her on her looks is a healthy way to view this 🙄

Maireas · 25/02/2023 05:58

Indeed, @ConfusedNT
Plus, of course Diana never grew old. Getting old is a crime in some people's eyes.

Michaelay · 05/04/2023 01:00

Queen consort does not equal Queen.

Precedent does not apply because different situations apply.

In this situation when C married C in 2005 they said she'd be Princess Consort. As Princess Consort she was never known as Princess of Wales. She was a Duchess.

One was not her title and the other her job

She set her own her precedent.

Due to her own new precedent, when the Queen said she wanted C to be Queen Consort it could not be presumed this keaht Queen. No one presumed it hence the media fuss tonight

Linking to the Queen's statement about Queen CONSORT. Proves nothing. Not dues past wives of kings.

Camilla created her own expectations and precedents when she became Princess consort bit not Princess

This isn't as clear as the royal fan club doth proclaim it to be

Michaelay · 05/04/2023 01:01

Apologies for typos in the middle of feeding baby but hopefully it makes sense

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 05/04/2023 01:03

Queen consort does not equal Queen.

It absolutely does.

There are two types of Queen. Consort and Regnant. That’s it.

In this situation when C married C in 2005 they said she'd be Princess Consort. As Princess Consort she was never known as Princess of Wales. She was a Duchess.

The fact she was known as Duchess doesn’t change the fact she was HRH The Princess of Wales.

Titles and styles are two very different things.

Xol · 05/04/2023 01:04

Due to her own new precedent, when the Queen said she wanted C to be Queen Consort it could not be presumed this keaht Queen. No one presumed it hence the media fuss tonight

Of course it could be and was presumed, because that is what all Queen Consorts have been known as. The wives of George VI, George V, Edward VII and so on were all Queens Consort known as Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth. If Queen Elizabeth II had intended centuries-old established precedent to change, she would have said so.

Xol · 05/04/2023 01:05

Lucinda7 · 24/02/2023 23:20

It doesn't matter what title Camilla has. Diana is the mother of the next king and grandmother of the one after that. Diana was real aristocracy and very beautiful.

And Diana is dead, and Camilla is wife of the King. That is what is relevant here.

Michaelay · 05/04/2023 01:07

In law, new precedent would be assumed. This wouldn't be as cut and dry as people think.

Xol · 05/04/2023 01:08

Michaelay · 05/04/2023 01:07

In law, new precedent would be assumed. This wouldn't be as cut and dry as people think.

No, it wouldn't. The first assumption in law is that the status quo remains unless it is specifically changed. The notion that the Queen wanted to change established practice is just nonsensical.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 05/04/2023 01:13

Michaelay · 05/04/2023 01:07

In law, new precedent would be assumed. This wouldn't be as cut and dry as people think.

No it would.

New official precedent would only happen with Letters Patent issued (as in the titles of the Cambridge children) or intention of being known by a different style (as in Camilla being known as HRH Duchess of Cornwall instead of HRH The Princess of wales, or HRH The Dowager Duchess of Kent being known as HRH Princess Marina).

Otherwise the precent is that the wife of HM The King is HM The Queen.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 05/04/2023 01:13

*wouldnt

Michaelay · 05/04/2023 01:18

So the Royal Family protocol is above normal law protocol. Well I learned something today and it's pretty pathetic!

Just because you can prove something fits an arbitrary rule doesn't make it right.

Thanks for the education.

This country; more obsessed with knowing barmy nonsensical rules above all else

ConfusedNT · 05/04/2023 01:20

Michaelay · 05/04/2023 01:18

So the Royal Family protocol is above normal law protocol. Well I learned something today and it's pretty pathetic!

Just because you can prove something fits an arbitrary rule doesn't make it right.

Thanks for the education.

This country; more obsessed with knowing barmy nonsensical rules above all else

A queen is a queen, you are just on about semantics

At the end of the day who cares. She the wife of a symbolic figurehead. Queen consort or queen it's all the same thing and totally a non issue

MsJD · 05/04/2023 01:22

I cant believe anyone is getting het up about this. We are born, we live and then we die. All of us, Kings, Queens and peasants.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 05/04/2023 01:23

I mean, as the controller of royal titles in law (Royal titles act) Charles could give Camilla any title he wants.

JimmyDurham · 05/04/2023 02:32

She always was Quuen Consort and always will be. It's a piece of semantics that the media have turned into a story on a slow news day.

ananass · 05/04/2023 03:28

She’s no Queen of mine. They’re both cheating disgraces. Bumbling fools.

FairyPrincess123 · 05/04/2023 06:04

Camilla

Nimbostratus100 · 05/04/2023 07:06

she became queen when Queen Elizabeth died

she has been known as duchess, duchess outranks princess

ajandjjmum · 05/04/2023 08:07

I really disliked Camilla in the early days, although I realised that Diana was far from perfect. Over the years I've come to accept her (not that it makes any difference to anything) and now I actually feel quite sorry for her. At 75 she's having to work harder than she ever has in her life, putting on a front, when in all fairness she doesn't look in the best of health herself.

whumpthereitis · 05/04/2023 09:55

ananass · 05/04/2023 03:28

She’s no Queen of mine. They’re both cheating disgraces. Bumbling fools.

It’s not something that requires your consent. If you’re a citizen of the UK or the commonwealth, she is indeed your queen. That’s how monarchy works.

ArcaneWireless · 05/04/2023 16:20

whumpthereitis · 05/04/2023 09:55

It’s not something that requires your consent. If you’re a citizen of the UK or the commonwealth, she is indeed your queen. That’s how monarchy works.

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Quite. Although you have more chance of managing to etch every word ever written on top of a pin than you would manage to get that to sink in.

Shame really. Because if the bumbling fool description was correct, they’d have a friend who would fit right in.

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