So Camilla is Queen now?

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Headlines in the papers talking about what the Queen said yesterday at a reception.

I thought we had a King and a Queen Consort.

Phillip wasn't a King.

AIBU to think calling Camilla the Queen instead of the Queen Consort is going too far?

There’s something wrong with your logic there. You might want to give it a little more thought.

It'd the opposite of feminist though

It's saying that Kings automatically outrank queens and can't be consorts and for a queen to be in charge her husband has to be a lower rank

It would be more feminist to allow King consorts

Although as someone has already pointed out the next 2 generations are Charles are likely to be male and who knows if the monarchy will last that long never mind after that so it's all a hit rhetorical

It would be more sensible to have a single name for the monarch and have called Elizabeth II a king.

It’s hardly much of a stretch from accepting that a woman can be the regent, to calling her King.

In a republic the head of state is President regardless of their sex.

This was to distinguish between the two Elizabeths. When George VI died in 1952 there was Queen Mary (his mother), Queen Elizabeth (his wife) and Queen Elizabeth II (his daughter) at the funeral.

It's just bloody confusing calling her the Queen. The Queen refers to Elizabeth II, who may be dead but will still be referred to for some time. Camilla is not the Queen Mother or the Queen, she is the Queen Consort. Prince Consort was fine for Albert, and Prince was enough for Philip. Make it clear who you are talking about.

Meant to add that unless Catherine changes her name to Camilla there would be no need to call Camilla the Dowager Queen etc she would still be Queen Camilla.

Was it bloody confusing calling George V the King? After all, everyone was used to the fact that "the King" referred to Edward VII. From all I have heard, people managed to work out what people meant when they talked about "the King" pretty quickly. Ditto when Edward VIII and George VI succeeded.

Because its a woman, a 'fallen' woman at that in some peoples eyes so obviously it's dar to inconvenient for them if they can instead insist on calling her consort to emphasise her lesser status

She's Queen because she's married to the King. Prince Phillip was rarely referred to as "prince consort" - I don't think I heard that expression used until his funeral

As an aside, between the date of his wedding (when he renounced his European princedom to marry British Royalty) and 1957 (when ER II created him Prince of the United Kingdom) he was simply HRH the Duke of Edinburgh

Maybe it's to answer the question that OP has asked us? Or can we only post in agreement with OPs these days?

She is the queen and has been since the moment Elizabeth 2nd died. The consort part was to differentiate between her and Elizabeth, but it’s getting my the point where that is no longer needed. Phillip wasn’t king because of some old fashioned sexist rule stating kings are more important than queens.

Theres nothing wrong with my logic because it is based in historical reality.
For most of the time we had a monarchy, same as the monarchies across Europe and the globe, if a queen marries, then her husband automatically owns her and is therefore king and outranks her. The Queen loses her regnant status upon marriage.

Why do you think Queen Elizabeth I never married? Hmm?

So over time, we have progressed to having queens regnant that were married, but the fall out from that was that you could not give her husband the title of King. Because history.

Irs really not confusing - you just haven't adjusted yet.

When Victoria died Princess Alexandra became Queen Consort but was commonly referred to as the Queen or Queen Alexandra.

The same for Mary, married to George V.

The same for Elizabeth, married to Geirge VI

Queen Elizabeth II reigned for such a long time it'll take a long time for people to stop thinking of her when they hear or read "The Queen".

Very young people won't have such difficulty. Children under 3 certainly won't think of the deceased Queen will they.

I like Camilla. I suspect Diana was a bit of a nightmare to live with. I don’t care if she’s called Queen or Queen Consort.

Maybe. I still think Queen Camilla or Queen Consort is better at least for a year or so. Poor woman's not cold and Charles has not been crowned yet.

Same. Also suspect people with an issue with her being called Queen, just have an issue with her generally and are irritated she’s part of the furniture now.

When Mary I married, a specific Marriage Act was passed saying that her husband would be called "King of England" but only for Mary's lifetime. However, he could not act without his wife's consent so in effect her status was recognised as being above his within England.

This is also why William and Mary held the throne as joint monarchs.....a historically unique work around...

You don't understand Monarchy. There is no break in the continuity of The Crown. Charles became the Monarch in the moment of his mother's death, as his wife Camilla became Queen.

You'll get there in time.

Yes she is queen. What did you expect her to be, the Duke of Edinburgh?

I’m wondering how long it will take to stop singing “God save the Qu…ing”

(NB not that I sing it on a regular basis or anything 🤣)

You remember Queen Elizabeth the Queen mother right? She was Queen, and remained Queen after her husband died, just with the addition of Queen Mother.

If Charles passes before Camila she will still be Queen Camilla - who knows what they’ll add, the King Stepmother seems a mouthful.

I didn't know that, I wonder why that couldn't have been done for Philip?

Although I would have been concerned if I were her that although he still wouldnt have outrank her, in some places and with some people they would have acted like he did just because he was referred to as King

I'm imagining a scenario where you wake up from a brain injury and they want to test your memory and they ask 'who is the current monarch'

The patient answers 'Queen Elizabeth' and everyone nods, then realises that's wrong then realises they haven't got a clue if the patient has memory issues or if it's a perfectly normal answer

I think this double-take factor is the real reason why the media is still using Queen Consort to describe Camilla for so long.

If the previous long-standing monarch had been a King then we'd probably have switched to moving to calling Camilla "The Queen" immediately, but we'd be saying "King Charles" every single time rather than just "The King" to distinguish him from the previous King.