So Camilla is Queen now?

[cakeorwine]

Headlines in the papers talking about what the Queen said yesterday at a reception.

I thought we had a King and a Queen Consort.

Phillip wasn't a King.

AIBU to think calling Camilla the Queen instead of the Queen Consort is going too far?

Like it or not, Camilla is HM the Queen - 'consort' is just a sop to public opinion and it will soon get dropped altogether.

I too saw something yesterday saying 'The Queen'.

The late Queen Mother was a consort but always referred to as The Queen - in all the archive footage of her I've never heard the word consort.

Why are people so desperate to get the royal discussion going in AIBU instead of the RF board?

Camilla became queen the minute Charles became king. It doesn't work like reality television where you can vote people in or out.
You may consider that a good or a bad thing, but it's how it is.

He's King Prince Charles here!

Also, just as an historical note, traditionally, the wife of the West Saxons (IE Wessex, King Alfred) wasn't allowed the title of queen, but when his grandson Athelstan united the various kingdoms the king's wife at that point got the title, so Edward the Confessor's wife was Queen for instance. (Emma or Edyth I think..can't recall).

Give over. Far more important things for sensible folk to get aerated about.

I missed the post about Diana. I do wonder if those, who think she did no wrong were they old enough to remember the scandals and what the press said about her. She was neither all good nor all bad. IE a real person.

As for Camilla, it perhaps needed pointing out for a while she has a different status from the late Queen. But anything more would now be punitive. I’m glad the qualifier consort is quietly being dropped. Diana died over 1/4 of a century ago.

so glad its not just me lol

If Charles & Diana had not been divorced and she had not died then she would be the Queen Consort today and get referred to as Queen Diana

She was only the wife of a prince who is now a king
Camilla was only the wife of a prince who is now king

It is only the Diana / Camilla ‘issue’ that makes people ‘worry’ about Camilla being called Queen

So Camilla is Queen now?

Yes, she is. Hth.

Next!

Diana wasn't Princess Diana. It's a shorthand for Diana, Princess of Wales. Similarly Princess Catherine/Kate isn't Princess Kate/Catherine.

If you're the sort of person who cares about monarchy and marriage and tradition you're also the sort who thinks divorce is Not On, especially for ruling classes. It is convenient for the patriarchy to make us punish divorced women especially, and encode marital fidelity into the rules of who's allowed to have all the jewels and castles. It means the patriarchs are less likely to accidentally bring up someone else's genetic child..

Hence, if you're happy for one family to have All the Things, you also on some level have bought the narrative that a lady with someone else's kids shouldn't get to have All the Things. Hence PC's second wife, who was having it away with him all along, doesn't get to be Queen. Hth

Why does it bother you @cakeorwine ? Is it because of Diana? I mean it's time to move on, did you know her personally?

More important things to worry about.

She is Queen. She's been Queen since Elizabeth II died.
Philip wasn't King because a King outranks a Queen and he wasn't the monarch, hence he had to settle for being a Prince.

What a load of old bollocks. This divorced monarchist is very happy with our new King and Queen.

This

Of course she's Queen. Daft to think otherwise.

@Blossomtoes Sure! And that's up to you! but for those who aren't, that's the underlying societal reason, rather than them just having a personal dislike.

Have you been asleep since 7 September 2022 OP?

If not how have you missed these explanations till now? Its been everywhere in the Press and here many, many times.

Strange.

I admit I saw the headline in one of the papers today talking about the Queen being unhappy that Roald Dahl books are being censored and thought "what the fuck?" for a couple of seconds before I realised they were referring to the King's wife. I'm sure I'll get used to before long like I've done with the words to the national anthem.

She's Queen because she's married to the King. Prince Phillip was rarely referred to as "prince consort" - I don't think I heard that expression used until his funeral.

This is very ‘Oh if only Diana were here’.

All Queen consorts have historically been referred to simply as Queen.

The only reason I can see for the initial difference with Camilla was to avoid the possibility of confusion in the immediate aftermath of the death of QE2.

It is convenient for the patriarchy to make us punish divorced women especially, and encode marital fidelity into the rules of who's allowed to have all the jewels and castles. It means the patriarchs are less likely to accidentally bring up someone else's genetic child..

I've read some old baloney on this site but this is up there with the best. Marital fidelity encoded into the aristocracy and monarchy? ur 'aving a laugh. Never heard of the rule in the past for aristocrats especially, that once a woman had borne an heir and a spare she could do what she liked, as long as she didn't cause a scandal? numerous children were passed off as the children of their aristocratic fathers when in fact their fathers were someone else. In Edwardian society there was one man - Harry Cust - who was famous (or notorious) for the number of children he sired on other men's wives.There must have been numerous male peers knowingly or otherwise accepting as theirs children of other men - marital fidelity in upper class Victorian and Edwardian circles was regarded as bourgeois once you'd done your duty.

Camilla is Queen Consort (as wife of the king), but like those before her she will be referred to as Queen (not The Queen).

Philip wasn’t king as that title outranks that of Queen. The same as Queen Victoria’s husband Albert who was a prince and not a king.

Same

When I read 'the Queen has commented....' my immediate reaction is 'but she died in September.

Give it some time for the national brain to adjust, QE11 no longer being around, we'll all think of Camilla as Queen and the consort bit will be used much less.