Cyclists - Dan Walker

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No high viz clothing
No lights
Cycling cross lane
Car driver in lane does not chnge direction
Lights on
Cyclist comes across his lane
Cyclist does not give enough clearance
Back wheel hits car.

True interpretation : Cyclist hits car NOT car hits cyclist

Driver of car plastered across media for doing nothing wrong

It looks to me like the cyclist was in the lane, the car moved across and hit him?

I genuinely don't get why cyclists get such bile directed at them

The rancid, toxic RW press. Mainly DM and Express.

What have people who have learning difficulties, or are disabled got to do with this? People who think that the cyclist was at fault are clearly anti cycling. There's nothing need for the offensive use of language.

Whilst I agree that the car driver is at fault for changing lanes (to exit the roundabout?), without checking what’s around him, I think the cyclist also bears some responsibility for not doing their best to be more visible.

I say this as someone who has been hit by a car driver who was prosecuted for careless driving because she said she didn’t see me. I was walking along a road with no pavements and wearing a bright red jacket but not a high viz vest. Maybe if I had, it would have prevented the accident? 🤷🏻‍♀️

I haven’t read the article and have no idea who this person is (not in U.K.), but there’s not much point arguing who’s in the right if you’re dead.

Cyclists and pedestrians need to wear bright clothing and wise up to the fact that a less attentive driver might kill you.

Are you coming back Op, now you've been proven incorrect?

Dan did nothing wrong, and why not take a selfie?

I used to cycle to & from work in Manchester. From my office the quickest route was either across a busy roundabout or under a subway that went under the roundabout. Given I was a woman on my own, often in the dark, and the roundabout was spitting distance from Moss Side, I took my chances on the road.

However, every time I wondered whether my fear of the underpass was driving irrational behaviour (reality being the underpass would have been terrifying but probably ok).

TLDR: underpasses are not often nice places, and roads should be safer! Cyclists & pedestrians shouldn’t have to make judgement calls on safety - drivers need to pay more attention!

I was walking along a road with no pavements and wearing a bright red jacket but not a high viz vest. Maybe if I had, it would have prevented the accident? 🤷🏻‍♀️

So anyone who isn’t driving a car, going anywhere in the vicinity of a road, at any time of day, should think about decking themselves out in hi vis gear, so as to make life easier for dangerously inattentive drivers?

Really? really?

Why do you assume that DW was a victim?

Because he was hit by a car?!

Having watched the video, I can't see that the driver did anything wrong.

Cyclists should be MADE to wear high-viz clothing and helmets

Also, they keep begging for cycle lanes. There was one available he didn't use

Do we paint all cars in hi-viz?

@Nanny0gg I really hope you don't drive because your eyesight is defective.

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I am also a Manchester cyclist and was about to post about what I assume is the same subway . No way I am going under that subway, even in broad daylight.
FWIW I dressed in dayglo from top to toe, lights even in the daylight, stopped at all crossings, traffic lights etc.
At this roundabout I used to get off my bike and push it across the side roads like a pedestrian as I was unhappy using the roundabout or using the subway.
Sadly, after thousands of miles commuting to work on my bike over the last 20 years, and despite following the road rules and dressing in dayglo I no longer feel safe cycling on the roads, so now I add to the traffic congestion in my car and use my Peloton instead.

Whilst the car was def at fault, absolutely no dispute about that, Dan really doesn’t help himself here. Dressed in black, makes it very difficult to see him.

I ride a black horse and ALWAYS have hi viz on me and front/back of my horse for this very reason.

Which horse and rider do you see here? If Dan had hi viz on, he might have been seen sooner.

Hi Viz makes no difference in my experience. I've worn yellow, orange and pink coats in the middle of the day and still had near misses. Then I got told "I didn't see you".
A lot of drivers are only looking for cars.

True interpretation : Cyclist hits car NOT car hits cyclist
why isn't your true interpretation bike hits car NOT driver hits cyclist?

Just curious why its always a cyclist and car never bike or driver?

Do you see the car as the culprit and not the driver
but the cyclist is the culprit and not the bike

a cyclists made a mistake and got hurt, cyclists do make mistakes and they'll pay for them

And a lot of the time they aren’t even looking out for anything at all. They’re yapping away on their hands-free, or have their eyes fixed on the rear view mirror to chat to / yell at the kids in the back, or fumbling about trying to open a bag of crisps, or searching about in the glove compartment. Never mind as a cyclist, as a driver I often find myself driving alongside these idiots and wonder why there aren’t more accidents.

@Tivadivaz after years of relatively trouble free cycling to didsbury, I gave up cycling after moving to a place that I had to use the A57 through Denton or the A6 through levenshulme to get home to - both roads are truly terrifying!

Cycle infrastructure in Manchester is a joke, our local “off road” route to Stockport (which means we’ll get nothing else as we’re apparently catered for) is partly an unlit dirt track that no female cyclist would feel comfortable riding on in the dark.

Yes really!!!
I despair at parents insisting on buying their kids dark coats and walking them to school. Why the hell not make yourself as visible as possible?
It should be compulsory to wear high vis as a road user - including car drivers having hi vis in the car in case of an emergency. It's just stupid not to. It's a bit like parents allowing kids to ride bikes without helmets. No they may not get hurt if they don't but it damn well may save your life if you do.
I don't understand why a road user would make themselves as difficult to see as possible? Cyclists wearing dark clothing are mad. It's not just in dark conditions either bright light and shadows make people almost invisible.

It's not about victim blaming. It's about taking responsibility for your own safety and making it as easy as possible for others to see you. The few additional seconds it gives drivers is invaluable.

You cannot say the cyclist in hi bus isn't easier to see!

I spent years looking for the cycling light (that was surely out there) and would mean drivers would see me & wouldn’t pull out in front of me. Never found it cos it doesn’t exist - too many drivers don’t care about cyclists or pedestrians once they’re safe inside their car.

What video did OP watch I wonder?

You're being obtuse. 🤦🏻‍♀️

My point which I thought was pretty clear, is that only a stupid person is more bothered about being in the right than being DEAD.

So every time you go outside as a pedestrian you wear hi vis clothing? Because that’s what that poster was suggesting - that maybe they could have prevented themselves from being hit by a car as they walked on the pavement had they been wearing a hi vis jacket.

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