Boris Johnson wants a 2nd bash at being PM. We wouldn't. Would we?

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Today BJ is stirring up the DUP to oppose Sunak's N Ireland proposals, whatever they may be. Surely there can't be a second chance for the idiot responsible for our current mess? There aren't enough stupid people in our country to let him in again I hope. Will he unseat Sunak?

I certainly have amnesia, because I recall the government debt is larger now than in 2010, taxes were lower and public services worked better. And before you but covid again, the same was true in 2019 also.
I think it would be better if you just argued that Boris knows what a woman is.

Johnson is a coward. He and the rest of the Tories know they are toast. He will make a lot of noise and then not stand against Sunak or anyone else as he is a chicken.

You are, Corbyn was never ever given a win on MN or anywhere else.

He came close in 2017 but that was not predicted or May wouldn't have called a GE.

@Blessedwithsunshine The only party weak on immigration is the Tories, we are seeing record cross channel migration, they have have 3 years since Brexit to come up with what was entirely predictable and have done nothing because they refuse to engage with the French/EU.

Its the Tories that opened up the UK to 5m HK Chinese to come to the UK...

Possibly the craziest thing any Govt could ever do (they are not refugees fleeing war) & unlike Blair and East European migrant in the early 2000s, the HK migrants will never return and from what i ve seen, many are quite old.

I was looking back at the 'Corbyn could win' threads and found this nugget

"Corbyn winning? What an utterly terrifying thought. Business over taxed and struggling, jobs lost across all sectors, inflation through the roof, interest rates and tax for all going up, strikes galor with unions back in control of uk who'll strangle the last breathes of life out of all the remaining uk businesses"

laugh !

^^ thank you 🙏 you saved me the job of typing it out!

I know all of that is happening now anyway but I know 100% it would be worse under Starmer.

Consolidate polling over many months: nah

Unfounded gut feelings: 100%

Seems like a mighty accurate prediction of what has now occured. With only one small error.

I read the same thing in the tea leaves this morning as well. Now off to the astrologers.

Disingenuous. I’m sure you know that the note at the Treasury was a longstanding joke begun by an outgoing Tory chancellor.

Nearly 50 years on, politicians talk of Reginald Maudling, outgoing Tory chancellor in 1964, bumping into Labour successor, Jim Callaghan, a personal friend, as he cleared his desk. "Sorry old cock, to leave it in this shape," he said.

Presumably you also remember a global banking crisis in 2007 in which taxpayers’ money was used to bail out Tory bankers.

I am thrilled we did the right thing for those coming from Hong Kong, Afghanistan and Ukraine. We have now many millions to care for and house, therefore we simply do not have the resources or space for tens of thousands of ‘economic migrants’ arriving weekly in various ways that are here purely to free load. They are not from war torn countries. They are here to take advantage. Many are here for criminal means.

What plan does Labour have for the tens of thousands of illegal economic migrants?

As far as I can see it is zilch. Nada, despite this issue being extremely well flagged.

We have no housing stock left!!

So Labour’s open door policy is going to be an unmitigated catastrophe of a scale we have not seen before in the U.K.

What plan does Labour have for the tens of thousands of illegal economic migrants?

As far as I can see it is zilch. Nada, despite this issue being extremely well flagged.

We have no housing stock left!!

"The terrible things we're seeing happening under the tories would happen under Labour too! So vote tory!!"

No, I think it will be a million times worse under Labour. At least the conservatives are trying to tackle it - the Rwanda plan, navy in the channel etc. Labour doesn’t support a single plan to tackle this pressing issue at all.

We will be swamped if the lily livered Labour MPs get in. And the poverty in this country will sky rocket. Have you tried renting a house anywhere lately?

tens of thousands of illegal economic migrants

Do you have a source for that to back up your claim?

Have you tried renting a house anywhere lately?

Remind us again, who has been in power since 2010?

You can look it up yourself I am not your PA Duncin.

No, I think it will be a million times worse under Labour.

Wow, a million! That sounds really bad. I thought maybe it'd be a hundred times worse, but a million! Oof. 😖

That's trying to tackle a migration problem created by a lack of safe routes.
I'd rather that posturing the government tried something that had a chance of being effective, but each to their own.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/english-channel-home-office-ministry-of-defence-border-force-dover-b2280322.html?amp

IPSOS polling Feb 2023

When considering which parties can be trusted to deal with policies surrounding immigration, and asylum seekers, neither party scores highly although Britons tend to trust Labour more. A third trust Labour a great deal or fair amount to have the right policies towards asylum seekers (35%), 28% say the same for the Conservative Party. Similarly, 34% trust Labour to have the right immigration policies (28% Conservative). When is comes to handling the issue of migrants crossing the English Channel, 32% trust Labour and 24% trust the Conservatives.

www.ipsos.com/en-uk/britons-are-more-likely-trust-labour-policies-surrounding-immigration-and-asylum-conservatives-are

I wonder if by a million times worse they mean a million times more people arriving to claim asylum?
Are they really anticipating 1/10th or more of the world's population trying to claim aslyum in the UK just as soon as Starmer becomes Prime Minister? Wow.

I will take that as a no, I don't have the data to back up my claims

As we know data is used by experts, we don't like experts because their data tells us our predjudices are wrong, so we refuse to listen to experts.

(I think I have caught the gist of Gove?)

I just knew you would say that.

No, opening up safe routes wouldn’t change a single thing because these people would never be granted asylum legally, all the safe routes in the world won’t change the fact that these people are not in harms way. They are looking to make as much as money as possible end of.

So we would continue to see ever more trafficking. Nothing would change with or without ‘safe routes’

Your grip on this is pitiful.

You are spoon fed this bullshit and churn it out it’s worrying.

Mea culpa, I forgot, Feelz over Facts