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TW - AIBU to be worried about inappropriate play?

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Lookingforanswers1234 · 16/02/2023 19:20

Looking for perspectives and advice here. I have 2 DC, one a toddler and one a baby.

My FIL has looked after DC1 for one day a week since about 12 months old, so almost 2 years now. This was at FIL’s suggestion.

Over the past year I’ve gradually cut that back to just an afternoon, for various reasons, and have found the arrangement trying. FIL is not happy about reduced time.

Lately I’ve had this feeling in the pit of my stomach that something may not be right, that I can’t shift, but I have nothing ‘solid’ to go on.

A few examples of things that are odd include:

  • DC cried hysterically when FIL picked them up from preschool recently, said “he made me sad, I wanted to see you Mummy”. FIL seemed very angry about it. I’ve never seen my child that upset. DC also didn’t want FIL to look at them or come anywhere near them. DC is potty trained but wet themselves constantly all of that afternoon.
  • FIL once bit their finger, a couple of months ago, when they were ‘playing’. I was napping upstairs with baby and DC came upstairs and said (name) bit my finger. There was a mark on DC’s finger and FIL said oh yes, we were Playing and it was an accident.
  • They ‘play’ in a physical way, tickling, playing ‘doggies’ and rough-housing.
  • DC has lately had ‘big’ reactions with FIL, saying ‘No’ and shouting repeatedly when they are playing.
  • the other week I walked around the corner and the baby had crawled onto his crotch when he was sitting down. The baby being there wasn’t the problem, because babies do climb on people, it was the fact that he had his hands back and let the baby climb over his crotch and then start to pull up to stand, and he only moved the baby away very quickly when I came into the room. He had a funny look on his face. It just didn’t sit well with me.
  • the latest afternoon he was over, DC came upstairs when I was having a nap with baby and made it clear they did not want to be around FIL anymore. FIL seemed annoyed when I said I would take DC out for a walk by myself while he kept an ear out for the baby who was napping. I heard him parrot what DC said in a mocking voice, when he thought I couldn’t hear.

I have had repeated conversations with FIL about certain boundaries e.g. screen time. He has repeatedly outright ignored these things and a couple of times challenged me, saying that he believes that children should be free to make their own choices and shouldn’t be coerced into things e.g. wearing shoes to go outside in freezing cold weather. DC is not even 3. I have limited contact partially because I can’t trust him to stick to things that my DH and I have agreed. DH agrees on the boundaries that we have set and has had a word to FIL about keeping to these. Aside from that, DH feels I can be too critical of his DD.

FIL is a bit eccentric. By his own admission he does not pick up on social cues and believes himself to be on the spectrum.

I mentioned the hysterical crying and afternoon of soiling/wetting to a family member, who immediately said that it would be a red flag for her and it’s been on my mind since then. What I can’t work out is whether I’m being too paranoid/anxious and overprotective, or whether these things are genuine red flags that anyone should rightly be concerned about. Some of these examples could just be that DC has had enough and wants time with their mum!

The thought of being right makes me feel sick, as does the thought of being wrong. These things may all be nothing on their own, but it’s starting to add up and I’ve had this on my mind overnight. I need some perspective.

So AIBU?

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category12 · 16/02/2023 19:23

If you don't trust him with your kids, stop it all.

Listen to your gut.

takealettermsjones · 16/02/2023 19:24

I would nix the unsupervised contact right now. DC being unhappy is enough of a red flag for me. Spending time with grandparents should be fun, happy, exciting for kids - they get spoilt and treated, etc. Your child has made it very clear they're uncomfortable.

DC should be getting 30 funded hours soon if not already? I'd use that for proper childcare.

Merryoldgoat · 16/02/2023 19:24

That would be enough for me to stop him looking after my child.

Madeintowerhamlets · 16/02/2023 19:25

I agree about trusting your instincts. Have you spoken to your DH about this in more detail? I wonder about his experiences growing up?

Merryoldgoat · 16/02/2023 19:26

Exactly what @takealettermsjones said.

Both my sons used to push me out of the door when I dropped them at grandparents’ houses - even asked if they could live there.

Those violent reactions aren’t normal.

amylou8 · 16/02/2023 19:27

100% go with your gut here. My kids had a very tough and tumble, hands on relationship with my step dad, but never once did it make me feel uncomfortable. Is their Dad about? Have you discussed this with him? How does he feel about his father.

evtheria · 16/02/2023 19:27

Listen to your gut instinct or your children. They are very unhappy with this situation, for whatever reason, and too young to explain properly why.

minidancer · 16/02/2023 19:28

You would never forgive yourself if something happened and you had had a gut feeling. Stop all unsupervised contact now.....please

thatsahardno · 16/02/2023 19:29

Setting aside the potential inappropriate behaviour, your DD does not like FIL and doesn’t want to spend time with him. He bit her finger and left a mark!? And he disrespects you by ignoring your boundaries and wishes. That’s more than enough to stop unsupervised contact.

jannier · 16/02/2023 19:30

Your child is very unhappy so listen to that voice in your head....and by the way when was the last time you accidentally bit anyone's finger???? At best he's not respecting your child by mimicking him and poking fun that is no good for anyone's self esteem at worst your children are at risk of abuse.

Lookingforanswers1234 · 16/02/2023 19:35

Have spoken about some of the things, but as isolated incidents. E.g. biting the finger, he thought that was very weird. The bit about crying after preschool, he thought dc just had a bad morning and wanted mum, and his dad didn’t know how to handle it. I haven’t told him about the other family member thinking it’s a red flag, or that it’s been keeping me up at night because he’s very protective of his dad. His parents had a high conflict relationship and I think he sees his Dad as the victim in it.

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KarmaStar · 16/02/2023 19:36

Yanbu.Always listen and react to what your instincts are telling you.
Plus the fact your dc are distressed,unsupervised contact needs to stop with immediate effect.

Lookingforanswers1234 · 16/02/2023 19:39

So true. Your post gave me goosebumps. I think I needed to hear that it’s not just in my head

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DaveyJonesLocker · 16/02/2023 19:43

Your son is telling you what you need to know. Stop letting him have him.

Zippidydoda · 16/02/2023 19:43

YANBU - I think with things like this is it is best to trust your gut. If you feel something is not right then personally I would not leave him alone with the children again. You have some solid examples here of odd behaviour and breaking of boundaries.
Hopefully there is nothing more sinister but in your shoes I’d not leave the children alone with him.

I have a friend of my father’s who I love. He’s offered to look after my kids a few times but I have never asked him to help because I just have a weird feeling about him. I can’t even explain it, but I’m not going to go against my gut.

My Dd also one said something odd my nephew had said to her about how his penis tastes nice. We spoke to his mum and now they are never alone together now. Likely he was just being silly, but I’m certainly not taking any chances!!

Too many parents don’t trust their gut when they know things aren’t right.

caramac04 · 16/02/2023 19:43

I would definitely stop unsupervised contact with FiL. Your dc has communicated their unhappiness at being with him and that would be enough for me.
The other things don’t sit well either. Trust your gut, it’s likely to be right. You are protector and advocate for your dc so absolutely fulfil those roles. As for upsetting anyone, try and be diplomatic. If FiL gets stroppy, stay firm and sod him. DC comes first every single time.

DaveyJonesLocker · 16/02/2023 19:44

He sounds quite horrible to your DC and is covered in red flags.

QuizzlyBears · 16/02/2023 19:44

Your mama instincts are not to be ignored. Listen to your gut and your child, don’t think what if it’s nothing - think what if it is something?

Eastereggsboxedupready · 16/02/2023 19:46

You keep your dc well away op is what you need to do. Your dc is telling you loud and clear and with physical actions (wetting pants) that something is wrong for her....
Fil can kick off all he wants.

IneedcoffeeinanIV · 16/02/2023 19:49

100000% YANBU. I would absolutely stop unsupervised contact immediately, to be honest I'd stop contact all together

Greenfairydust · 16/02/2023 19:53

This all sounds very dodgy.

Your child does not like him and has an extreme reaction about spending time with him. This is enough to stop any contact between them.

I would actually distance myself from him full stop as it is clear there is something going on with this man that is just not wholesome...

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 16/02/2023 19:54

I would have stopped contact after one or two of these incidents. This man sounds like a serious risk. Please stop unsupervised contact immediately.

Thoughtful2355 · 16/02/2023 19:56

I would rather be wrong but have put in place things that were to protect then be right and have dont nothing to protect at all.

Lookingforanswers1234 · 16/02/2023 19:57

Thank you all for the messages. I think I needed to hear it from others, because I didn’t want my own irritation with IL to cloud my judgement and stop my children having a relationship with their grandparent. Hearing it from others cements my instinct!

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MavisMcMinty · 16/02/2023 19:59

Going to be hard telling your OH though, how do you think he’ll react?

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