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TW - AIBU to be worried about inappropriate play?

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Lookingforanswers1234 · 16/02/2023 19:20

Looking for perspectives and advice here. I have 2 DC, one a toddler and one a baby.

My FIL has looked after DC1 for one day a week since about 12 months old, so almost 2 years now. This was at FIL’s suggestion.

Over the past year I’ve gradually cut that back to just an afternoon, for various reasons, and have found the arrangement trying. FIL is not happy about reduced time.

Lately I’ve had this feeling in the pit of my stomach that something may not be right, that I can’t shift, but I have nothing ‘solid’ to go on.

A few examples of things that are odd include:

  • DC cried hysterically when FIL picked them up from preschool recently, said “he made me sad, I wanted to see you Mummy”. FIL seemed very angry about it. I’ve never seen my child that upset. DC also didn’t want FIL to look at them or come anywhere near them. DC is potty trained but wet themselves constantly all of that afternoon.
  • FIL once bit their finger, a couple of months ago, when they were ‘playing’. I was napping upstairs with baby and DC came upstairs and said (name) bit my finger. There was a mark on DC’s finger and FIL said oh yes, we were Playing and it was an accident.
  • They ‘play’ in a physical way, tickling, playing ‘doggies’ and rough-housing.
  • DC has lately had ‘big’ reactions with FIL, saying ‘No’ and shouting repeatedly when they are playing.
  • the other week I walked around the corner and the baby had crawled onto his crotch when he was sitting down. The baby being there wasn’t the problem, because babies do climb on people, it was the fact that he had his hands back and let the baby climb over his crotch and then start to pull up to stand, and he only moved the baby away very quickly when I came into the room. He had a funny look on his face. It just didn’t sit well with me.
  • the latest afternoon he was over, DC came upstairs when I was having a nap with baby and made it clear they did not want to be around FIL anymore. FIL seemed annoyed when I said I would take DC out for a walk by myself while he kept an ear out for the baby who was napping. I heard him parrot what DC said in a mocking voice, when he thought I couldn’t hear.

I have had repeated conversations with FIL about certain boundaries e.g. screen time. He has repeatedly outright ignored these things and a couple of times challenged me, saying that he believes that children should be free to make their own choices and shouldn’t be coerced into things e.g. wearing shoes to go outside in freezing cold weather. DC is not even 3. I have limited contact partially because I can’t trust him to stick to things that my DH and I have agreed. DH agrees on the boundaries that we have set and has had a word to FIL about keeping to these. Aside from that, DH feels I can be too critical of his DD.

FIL is a bit eccentric. By his own admission he does not pick up on social cues and believes himself to be on the spectrum.

I mentioned the hysterical crying and afternoon of soiling/wetting to a family member, who immediately said that it would be a red flag for her and it’s been on my mind since then. What I can’t work out is whether I’m being too paranoid/anxious and overprotective, or whether these things are genuine red flags that anyone should rightly be concerned about. Some of these examples could just be that DC has had enough and wants time with their mum!

The thought of being right makes me feel sick, as does the thought of being wrong. These things may all be nothing on their own, but it’s starting to add up and I’ve had this on my mind overnight. I need some perspective.

So AIBU?

OP posts:
Cherrysoup · 16/02/2023 20:00

I wouldn’t hesitate to stop unsupervised contact immediately. This is your child who needs you to protect him.

EsmeSusanOgg · 16/02/2023 20:05

Crying and wanting mummy isn't a flag on its own. But spending the afternoon distressed and soiling themselves is. That's an extreme reaction.

Combined with the finger biting (weird) and the fact he ignores all your very reasonable boundaries I think you have enough to stop unsupervised contact.

You need to talk to your DH too. Especially as it is bothering you and you can't shake the feeling that something is off. Not going to be a fun conversation though!

SeenYourArse · 16/02/2023 20:07

It doesn't matter WHY your son doesn’t want contact with him it’s enough that he doesn’t! You’re the mummy protect him! Stop this arrangement at once no more unsupervised contact whatsoever

MamaCanYouBuyMeABanana · 16/02/2023 20:08

You need to listen to your child.

They are telling you they aren't happy, yet they are being forced into this relationship anyway, they are expressing that they don't want this, and learning that their opinion doesn't matter at all.

If you're wrong then your FIL will be pissed off, but your child will learn their choices matter, if you're right ......

I would rather piss off an adult on even a 1% chance they could be abusing my child, than risk even a 1% chance of my child being abused to save someone's feelings.

Eas1lyd1stracted · 16/02/2023 20:10

Your child's reaction is significant and alarming. Your father is law is disrespecting your boundaries. At the very best his manner of caring for children is pretty bizarre. Definitely trust your instincts. The explanation for why is easy. They are getting very distressed in father in laws care and you are listening to them

plumduck · 16/02/2023 20:10

Follow your intuition

surreygirl1987 · 16/02/2023 20:18

Whoa. Your post made me feel cold. Definitely red flags there. Lots. The biting thing... wtf?!?! I would not be allowing my kids with him unsupervised at all.

surreygirl1987 · 16/02/2023 20:19

I would rather piss off an adult on even a 1% chance they could be abusing my child, than risk even a 1% chance of my child being abused to save someone's feelings.

Exactly. Any even without this, the child is clearly unhappy and distressed about it, which would be enough for me.

WhiskersPete · 16/02/2023 20:20

I would rather piss off an adult on even a 1% chance they could be abusing my child, than risk even a 1% chance of my child being abused to save someone's feelings.

This.

Lookingforanswers1234 · 16/02/2023 20:23

Have just had conversation with DH. Said I want to limit contact to only the weekend when he’s here as well as me and stop the weekday afternoons. I said it’s because DC is communicating their discomfort very clearly and listed a couple of the other things I mentioned in my post and he’s reacted horribly. I can understand his distress and hurt, but I can’t think of a way that I could have said it that didn’t end up in him feeling very caught in the middle and upset. He thinks I’m being harsh and selfish and unfair on his dad and has stormed out…

OP posts:
category12 · 16/02/2023 20:29

It's not selfish to recognise your child's distress and respond to it.

Hopefully when he's had time to think about it, he'll calm down and see it's more important that your children are happy (and safe) than his dad gets what he wants.

idonotmind · 16/02/2023 20:29

He thinks I’m being harsh and selfish and unfair on his dad and has stormed out…

*

Aye alright

MamaCanYouBuyMeABanana · 16/02/2023 20:30

Your DH is prioritising his dad's feelings over his child's.

You're the only one advocating for your child here op, I know you're in a hell of a position, but you cannot upset your child any further to appease these men.

Unfortunately it looks like you have some difficult conversations and tough choices ahead.

I will tell you this, my mother suspected my step dad of abuse, she ignored things I said, things she saw, and the way he acted.

He was abusing me right under her nose and she ignored it.

I would ALWAYS be over cautious with my dc, not being believed, having every adult ignoring your feelings and boundries is really shit, and has left me with life long problems.

heldinadream · 16/02/2023 20:31

Oh lovely this is so hard but you are absolutely doing the right thing. Try and stay calm but clear with your DH, it's going to be hell for him to think that you are thinking awful things about his dad, but you must hold firm and protect your children.

Abba123 · 16/02/2023 20:32

I think you need to be conscious of the fact that he is your husband’s dad and also that you’ve used him for free childcare for 2 whole years.

Sure I’m not about to tell you to leave your children with someone who you think might be a predator, but try to maintain some sense of appreciation in your rejection of him.

quietnightmare · 16/02/2023 20:35

Is it just your child's age becoming clingy or is it something more. Personally if you are not sure better to be safe than sorry and end this

Jazzy21 · 16/02/2023 20:35

I’m another one adding my voice to the “trust your gut instinct” message. You’re uncomfortable, they’re your children, it’s your call. The things you’ve mentioned in your OP would make me uncomfortable too, for what it’s worth.

Lookingforanswers1234 · 16/02/2023 20:35

I’m so sorry that this has been your experience. It’s such a betrayal when the people or person whose job it is to protect you, let you down. Hearing what you have been through makes me feel bolstered that I’m doing the right thing. Regardless of whether it’s just discomfort or something more sinister.

OP posts:
MelloYellow · 16/02/2023 20:39

Hi I’m a social worker OP.
The major red flag for me is the wetting and soiling themselves.
What does DH think?Have you had a proper conversation or just mentioned it

Zippidydoda · 16/02/2023 20:40

Well done op. I imagine that was a hard conversation but it was the right thing to do. I really hope you DH calms and comes back more open to hearing you.

MavisMcMinty · 16/02/2023 20:40

Your child’s distress and the finger-biting incident are reason enough to stop unsupervised contact. Perfectly reasonable, your DH should be able to see that.

MelloYellow · 16/02/2023 20:40

For reference
obviously in the extreme

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16511365/

flodmoore2808 · 16/02/2023 20:44

YANBU your husband is.
My DD 3 loves being with either set of grandparents, she's so happy to see them and that's how it should be.
Sod your FIL feelings and put your kids feeling first. You'd feel awful if your gut instinct turned out to be right and you didn't act because you are worried about upsetting someone

qpmz · 16/02/2023 20:45

The first bullet point would be enough for me to stop unsupervised contact indefinitely. Please go with your gut.

MelloYellow · 16/02/2023 20:45

Your DH storming off is totally ridiculous.
well done for protecting your children OP