"Take Back Control of our borders"

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AIBU to think the Brexiteer rallying cry of "Take Back Control of our borders" did not lead me to expect net migration at record levels, asylum seekers in small boats at record levels, and suspect diseased meat in Britain due to a lack of border checks seven years after the vote.

You?

YANBU This was not what I understood by the phrase "take back control of our borders"

YABU I know what I voted for, and it was exactly this. Diseased meat YUM!

This is droves

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I don't think brexit voters were lied to. They failed to read between the lines though. And I think they were deceived as it was clear what they wanted.

The opportunity to use manifesto at next GE has pretty much passed. As much as people talk about many regretting it neither party are going to ignore the Brexit voter. Labour just reused the line in the op.

They too want to win and see keeping the Brexit voter as part of it.

There is no credible way you can claim nobody wants to rejoin

inews.co.uk/news/brexit-unsafe-meat-african-swine-fever-border-checks-stop-2119410

Horrific, hadn't seen this.

Worth remembering that 30% of voters didn't vote in the referendum, so of voters, it's 36% Leave, 34% Remain.

Yes, I did wonder what those who believed in ‘take back control’ are thinking now.
I visited my DM in her nursing home, this weekend, where half of the staff have joined the company from India.
Company are really pleased at how their new staff have settled in the UK and that their English language skills are improving rapidly.
They couldn't find staff here and are relieved to have ended large bank staff costs and filled these permanent posts.

Only about 600,000 votes in it.

*1931 was the last time there was a general election where it was won by the ‘majority’ of eligible voters.

So yes, voting decisions by the minority tend to be final.*

Are they final though?

Or do we answer the same question again a few years later? @BillyMack

Brexit is the great economic mistake probably of the last 60 years. How much is because we ended up with the worst Prime Minister ever and then the shortest on record is the only bit for debate I feel

Accepting the mistake would be a start, those who voted Leave.

I am French resident and always used to order things from the UK, but no longer, with import duty, customs handling costs etc, just not worth it. A friends who exported to the EU has shut his business down. Although I didn’t vote for it, the majority did, so we have to respect the result. Brexit hasn’t even happened fully, so much more will change. Unfortunately a lot of people didn’t look at the bigger picture when voting, they just believed the lies. Speaking to a lady the other day, who has a holiday home in Spain, voted for Brexit and is now put out that she can only visit it 90 days in 180 days!!!! COVID and the Ukraine have been used as a smoke screen, but that can only go on for so long

It seems we do, while people who voted for Brexit still think it was a reasonable thing to do.

HTH.

In the 1970s we had a confirmatory referendum to make sure we were happy staying in didn't we?

So why not have another confirmatory referendum to check we're all really enjoying being out?

I think most Leave voters have accepted it was a mistake because of their lived experience of the effect of Brexit on our country over the last few years.

I blame the conmen not their 17 million marks.

If people know it’s a mistake it’d be an easy win to shift back at next GE.

Instead we see Take Back Control make a reappearance. Do people write to their MP over this?

Or maybe the inbox is still pro Brexit

Or focus groups are pro Brexit. Whatever it is these threads aren’t correlating with parties wanting to win those voters.

Is having African swine flu going to have an inpact on Liz's amazing pork markets in China deal ?

YANBU.

I voted Remain, and would do so again, but even I can see that the millions of people who voted Leave because they wanted to end uncontrolled mass immigration are entitled to feel that they have been betrayed by lying politicians.

I'm reading The Restless Republic: Britain Without a Crown by Anna Keay - it's about Britain's 10 year or so rule without a King, with Oliver Cromwell in charge. She doesn't mention Brexit but the parallels are there. During the Civil War, you'd think the Parliamentarians wanted an abdication but in fact both they and the Royalists wanted a monarchy, just the former wanted his powers reigned in. It was the New Model Army who showed up and got the prevaricating King beheaded, most on either side didn't want that. It's similar to Brexit for me - people went for it for all kinds of different reasons. Afterwards, they can't quite agree how to proceed. There's a sense that they ended up with something nobody quite wanted.

I was on the fence on the issue but now it appears it was pushed for by many who had not a chance of being at the top table ie the Cabinet otherwise. Chris Grayling - my MP, can't stand him now after our constituency meetings about my elderly mother - got a chance to stay on as he was a Brexiteer, you can't imagine Johnson getting to be PM without Brexit, in fact May wouldn't have thrown her own hat into the ring if Cameron and Osborne hadn't resigned and most recently Truss can only be seen as yet another duff Brexit PM.

Now I see it appears to have been all about deregulation - the Tories' mantra. already on its way thanks to the useless and corrupt regulators we have - the CQC, the NMC, any Ombudsman. Austerity - Grayling's god - works very well, so long as everyone says it does and all the regulators turn a blind eye. Anyone who says otherwise is a whistleblower and gets the Witchfinder General treatment.

Sewage pumped into our waters. Deregulation.

As for borders, Johnson missing 5 Covid meetings says it all - he ushered Covid into the country, just as the Tories welcomed Russian money. They then went on to announce themselves the saviour of the situation.

Since only took about ten years to put a king back on the throne after abolishing the monarchy then getting Brexit undone should be a piece of cake. @NewspaperTaxis

Well I do.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/11/revealed-secret-cross-party-summit-held-to-confront-failings-of-brexit.

"The highly unusual cross party nature of the gathering of Brexit opponents – and the seniority of those who agreed to attend – reflects a growing acceptance among politicians in the two main parties, as well as business leaders and civil servants, that Brexit in its current form is damaging the UK economy and reducing its strategic influence in the world.
Concern is growing at the top of the Labour party that it poses a real threat to the success of any future Labour government unless problems such as increased trade friction can be addressed."
The Office for Budget Responsibility has predicted that, over the 15 years from 2016, Brexit will reduce the UK’s GDP per capita by 4%.

We can't afford not to rejoin. The downward spiral of the last few years cannot be allowed to continue.

The Conservatives will just do it in stages to avoid frightening the horses and if what's left if the 17 million Brexit voters do get spooked they can wheel out Boris Johnson to tell them "Of course we haven't rejoined!"

It's odd. It's all very well the Tories going for Brexit, but the big flaw of self-sufficiency was getting British people to do those low-paid, low-esteem jobs which were low-paid and low-esteem because of the Tories! It was their policy.

Possibly a Labour Govt that opts to 'take back control' might make for a more favourable UK than one ruled by the more right of the Conservative party - no more dumping sewage in rivers presumably, I mean quite why the Tories think this policy is worth the economic/popularity ratio I simply do not know.

So maybe it's a case of wait and see. But the trade deal we had as part of a block did seem tied to freedom of movement and that's a deal-breaker for many who voted for Brexit. Problem is, we now seem to be having the worst of both worlds as economic migrants and refugees are still an issue but trade has dropped off a cliff.

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Many of us could see that these were likely outcomes of leaving but were dismissed as "doomsters and gloomsters" or "condescending" by the radicalised brexit faithful. Its done now. No going back.