"Take Back Control of our borders"

[verdantverdure]

AIBU to think the Brexiteer rallying cry of "Take Back Control of our borders" did not lead me to expect net migration at record levels, asylum seekers in small boats at record levels, and suspect diseased meat in Britain due to a lack of border checks seven years after the vote.

You?

YANBU This was not what I understood by the phrase "take back control of our borders"

YABU I know what I voted for, and it was exactly this. Diseased meat YUM!

When we're already at the stage where nobody will admit to voting for Brexit only two years after the Brexit bongs, it's definitely time to turn the ship around and start rejoining.

I don’t think people are making it up 🤷‍♂️

I know you’re excited but I don’t get why, Labour your party of choice I assume, have ruled even SM and CU out.

They care more about the Brexit vote than yours, but be happy if it helps.

You think people are lying about not voting for Brexit? People would either say that they did, or not bother to respond on the thread at all. Or aren't interested in Mumsnet. Maybe you should go and ask ordinary working class people in the street.

You sound really desperate. I do get it. Or at least I would have done when it happened. I wish the vote had gone the other way. But it didn't. And thats the end of it. Dwelling on it for years is not a good thing. You need to deal with that. Or make yourself ill with the level of denial and false hope that you have. You seem close on the edge of explosion.

You guys are hilarious

Nobody will admit to voting for Brexit, but some of you are mysteriously keen to hang onto it.

Classic

#deluded.

Er ok whatevs

if it makes you sleep better excited about it all

More on the risks of our post Brexit open borders from Minette Batters the President of the National Farmers Union:

www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/17/uk-risks-disastrous-food-scandal-lax-post-brexit-border-controls-nfu-chief-minette-batters

Democracy isn’t trying to silence people pointing out that Brexit is hurting our country
Bank of England [official] calculates that Brexit cost every household in the UK £1000

Only £1,000 per household?

In 2016 (pre-referendum), George Osborne warned that every household could be £4,300 a year worse off after Brexit (according to Treasury analysis) - the country still voted to leave the EU;

www.itv.com/news/update/2016-04-18/osborne-warns-that-brexit-will-cost-4-300-per-household/

In 2019, the Labour Party were going to save families over £6,700 a year each (according to its own analysis) - Labour suffered its worst election defeat since 1935;

labourlist.org/2019/12/labour-vows-to-end-rip-off-britain-and-save-families-6700-a-year/

Minette Batters the President of the National Farmers Union

When do union leaders ever stop moaning about something- exaggerated or not. It's part of the job description isn't it?

The worst thing about Brexit definitely isn't that it makes brexit voters feel sad when people talk about it.
(Don't bother to pretend you didn't vote for it. We know it must be embarrassing to admit)

Worth remembering that 30% of voters didn't vote in the referendum, so of voters, it's 36% Leave, 34% Remain
Only about 600,000 votes in it

The margin was more than double that:

Leave 17,410,742
Remain 16,141,241

Spoiled my ballot actually. I'm sure you'll call me a liar but it's true.

Every thread of this type ends up the same - full of vile insults

Don't worry guys, it's only costing the country 40 billion a year in lost revenue
www.itv.com/news/2022-12-20/brexit-costs-government-40-billion-a-year-in-lost-tax-revenue

You're right. I don't believe you

You know nothing about me, my views or my politics but you feel able to declare me to be a liar .
Just think about what that says about you as a person and how much it supports my exasperation at threads like this

Have yourself a lovely and judgemental life

verdantverdure
It amuses us very much to have a Russian in your House of Lords. But when is a Russian not a Russian? When he has bought a golden visa from the Tories! Then he is a “UK citizen” and can make donations to The Tory Party from Putin.

Lord Lebedev is a crossbench peer, has never been a Conservative Party donor and moved to the UK at the age of 8. It was the Labour government who allowed Lebedev's father (a former KGB officer) to buy the Evening Standard in 2009;
www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jan/22/evening-standard-peter-mandelson

I think the pp means that if 600,000 Leave voters had changed their minds Remain would have won.

I don't want to rejoin the terms would be shit. It was the working classes who voted for Brexit. They had been undercut by cheap EU labour while the EU workers lived in a huge HMO sending money back home.

Calibrachoa
Don't worry guys, it's only costing the country 40 billion a year in lost revenue

According to John Springford at the Centre for European Reform (CER).
(your link)

From their website;

The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world...

www.cer.eu/about

ITV really are amiss in not pointing out that the CER is a pro-EU think-tank.

And my DM’s nursing home, all new staff, half of the team, have come here from India....

The home are delighted, they couldn't fill roles left by EU staff....

I'm not bothered I'm a HCP so I've seen before and after , there's quotas on visas for care workers. Also Indian , Nigerian , Zimbabwean care workers tend to speak better English than eastern Europeans , many are solely taught in English at school.

They also have to pass English requirements before they get the care worker visa , Europeans didn't because of freedom of movement.

But these people from other countries are stopping the very wage rises that Brexit was supposed to bring....

They are being provided with low grade accommodation, earning little and as the nursing home has reported in their newsletter ‘ are adapting well to a new country and language’

They are filling the gap that Brexit was supposed to leave so that ‘we’ could have jobs and as companies would have no choice due to staff shortages, with higher pay.
All we are doing, is replacing foreign workers with....different foreign workers...

Not working is it.

So where are all the British workers desperate to fill these roles now?

That post is a good example of why there should never have been a referendum in the first place.