"Take Back Control of our borders"

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AIBU to think the Brexiteer rallying cry of "Take Back Control of our borders" did not lead me to expect net migration at record levels, asylum seekers in small boats at record levels, and suspect diseased meat in Britain due to a lack of border checks seven years after the vote.

You?

YANBU This was not what I understood by the phrase "take back control of our borders"

YABU I know what I voted for, and it was exactly this. Diseased meat YUM!

YANBU, but if I'm honest we haven't really had a proper Brexit so far.

Fuck off with this, we absolutely did.

You sound like the communists who say 'real communism has never been tried.'

Severly lacking in Icebergs? Really?😂

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OP - A lot of us knew this would happen as we understood we already had control of our borders and the whole "take back control" was a guise to get the headline readers foamed up. It worked! But this is what we knew would happen. It was dismissed as "fear mongering" by the people who now call threads daring to mention Brexit "goady".

There's no point engaging with it - what's done is done and we can't change the past. People voted the way they chose to, for reasons that they may or may not still believe. Some people may or may not now regret the way they voted, on both sides. Everyone had the right to vote however they wanted to and as a country, the majority of people who voted decided to vote to leave. All we can concentrate on now is trying to reduce the amount of people making dangerous crossings and drowning in the channel, as well as trying to revive our struggling economy. We just now have to do that outside of the world's largest trading bloc.

@OopsAnotherOne

Why do we "have to"

Don't we live in a democracy any more?

Yes, democracy has worked and people have voted to Leave.

Can we drop it now?

There was a podcast called Remainiacs now called OGWN.
So they are fervent Remainers & even they say that rejoining is a tricky decision. UK's old deal (rebate, not in single currency, all sorts of special membership tweaks) is gone, couldn't be reclaimed.

Single market is best Uk could hope for.

Democracy isn’t trying to silence people pointing out that Brexit is hurting our country.

Democracy isn’t being held hostage by the bad decision of people who want to continue with a course of action that hurts our country.

Democracy is free speech and being free to change course to one that doesn’t hurt our country.

Democracy is people voting for MPs at a GE

They usually represent a party. Neither party is giving you the option to join SM or CU. One has already stated it won’t happen.

So of course you can be loud as you like but in this instance politicians are more worried about winning the Brexit voter.

No one has said they’ve written to their MP, whatever is happening being loud on places like mn isn’t doing much.

I think on other issues it does actually do something but for remainers not really.

Clearly op has not realised the legal, financial and political hurdles that any kind of ‘rejoining’ would look like.

It’s a total non starter and even the most devoted remain activist have accepted it will never happen. They are pushing for single market entry. Rejoining would mean accepting the euro, FOM and paying tens of billions again, joining future EU army and all the other present and future plans the EU has. Without a say. Sorry to break to you op but there is zero chance of this.

People used to say that Gibraltar would never join Schengen. But look at it. It effectively is in Schengen right now. Spain control Gibraltar's borders and Gibraltar has an open border with Spain. The UK government just haven't admitted that's Schengen.

People used to say we wouldn't be able to rejoin the EU for 40 years.

Then they said we wouldn't be able to rejoin for 20 years.

But it's on the table now. Already. After only 6.5 years because everyone can see that Brexit is bad for Britain and most people don't want that.

We’re going to rejoin the Single Market. We’re going to rejoin the Customs Union. We’re going to rejoin the EMA. We’re going to rejoin the Horizon 2020/FP9 science programmers. We’re going to rejoin the Copernicus & Galileo space programmes, We’re going to rejoin Erasmus+, We’re going to rejoin Euratom, rejoin the REACH framework, rejoin Open Skies, rejoin Europol, rejoin EASA, rejoin EGNOS, rejoin Natura 2000. Probably financial passporting and the EHIC healthcare system too.

Then we'll want a say in all the rules we're taking and rejoining will be complete.

It's happening. Watch.

Can you imagine a better advert for the EU than only 3 years after the Brexit bongs the UK is back in?

Everyone will know that our economy took a nose dive in 2016 as soon as there was even the possibility that we might do something so monumentally stupid as leave the most successful trading bloc of all time on our doorstep and try to go it alone. In a world where most countries are all in trading blocs with the countries on their doorstep.

Everyone will know our economy has been on a downward trajectory ever since.

Everyone will know how badly Brexit has failed.

I expect the EU would be happy for everyone to know this.

Currenr Indian government is right wing, and there is a sudden rise in anti English/ British sentiment because of colonial past.

After covid travel travel restrictions were lifted, India allowed eVisa to all EU countries but not to the UK citizens purely because of political reasons. UK had far better relationship with India when it was part of EU.

T individual level, Indians find countries like US, Dubai, Singapore highly lucrative financially and for growth opportunities.

Regarding lower skill workers, they prefer countries like Canada.

Would you like to move to a country which is 5 time zones away and you need to travel about 15 hours + to visit your family to pick vegetables in farm? Most lower skilled young Indians use UK as a stop gap arrangement and want to move to Canada. Canada is considered a more tolerant and family friendly country.

UK can only be attractive to immigrants from far away countries if its economy and public services are in good condition, which is not the case currently.

Lol...are you ok, hun?

It's happening. Watch.

I doubt that very much. It seems like it's all getting to you a bit.

You should bear in mind that I didn't vote for the obvious lies of Brexit so I have a track record of being right, whereas people who did have a track record of being wrong.

Not as OK as I'll be when Brexit has been reversed and is no longer dragging our country down, obvs.

I thought it might take a decade, but Brexit is such a crock of shit it's only been two years since the Brexit bongs.

Pretty chuffed actually @ListenToTheFacts

Beautifully put.

Can you imagine a better advert for the EU than only 3 years after the Brexit bongs the UK is back in?

I expect the EU would be happy for everyone to know this.

It's quite puzzling that you are so invested in how well or badly the EU is perceived. Why don't you focus on what's important..like the UK?

You seem a bit desperate

Most lower skilled young Indians use UK as a stop gap arrangement and want to move to Canada. Canada is considered a more tolerant and family friendly country.

😂

Have you been keeping up with the news? Canada would certainly not be my first choice at the moment if I came from a traditional background and was looking for a tolerant and family friendly country (where my values were respected)

OP why don't you come over to the UK and talk to real life people on the streets. No one is interested in the EU.

Online you will find likeminded hives where it seems like there's a lot of support for rejoining, but you don't know where these people live who throw shade on the UK. It's the same minority of people trying to spread discord on platforms and make it seem like the UK is failed, but believe me we are not failed and not rejoining the EU - what would be the point! Minority groups shout loud and make it sound like there's an appetite, but most sane folk see through it.

I know it is disappointing, but you need to get over it.

I can't work OP out. Reads like she is trying to scaremonger to rally Brexiter paranoia. Maybe because of deal Sunak is about to announce, and trying to get DUP riled up.

I'm sorry you don't understand. I thought I had been very clear.

I want my country back from the Brexit cult that is destroying it.

I want to reverse the downward spiral Brexit has caused.

I want Britain to be respected and trusted on the world stage again.

It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that a softening up of Brexit is coming, whatever the politicians say to the contrary. There is only so long you can keep beating your head against the wall.

I think we might be joining the EFTA first, then we'll be rejoining the EU in increments from there.

That's just the reality of the situations. Brexit can't be allowed to drag Britain down any further.

What patriot would want that?

I didn't vote for brexit. I still think you're wrong. It's clearly getting to you though. Not a healthy way to be.

I didn’t vote for it either and would have preferred Labour not make statements they did already. So not something I’m fighting against. Still I’m not sure it’s so easy to dismiss political direction but we’ll see.