To worry about how right wing...

[TooBigForMyBoots]

...the UK is becoming? The scenes in Liverpool were shocking and I fear this is just the beginning.

I’ll stick with trying to understand everyone and where they are coming from.

Not everybody is owed the right to live their life as they find 'easier' and more 'practical'. Specially when that convenience is dependent on the resources of someone else.

What if the UK infrastructure cannot cope? What if cultures are so different that tensions emerge as integration is very challenging (as was mentioned upthread) or women are put at risk?

The words you are saying have been recited by many over and over again. It doesn't make them true or the situation easier

The only people we know were groomed in Knowsley last week were the residents who formed the mob and the teenagers arrested for violence.

No one was made safer by it. A police officer was injured and taken to hospital. A police van no longer exists because it was burnt out and the police on duty had to stay and protect the Asylum seekers at the hotel, rather than be an visible force on our streets.

Your post was a fascist spiel.

At no one in particular

Yeah, right.

My understanding is that people usually have their posts deleted for breaching the Talk Guidelines.

One of the people scooped by the police for violent disorder was 13. A child.

Perhaps righteous ire could also be focused on the grooming of 13 year olds into violent and extremist groups.

I don’t condone violence, and I have probably worked and met with more immigrants than a good proportion of the people on this thread.

That does not mean I am ignorant as to where that sort of violence comes from. If you encourage the press to fill their papers with hatred and outrage, and you starve and terrify the people who don’t have the capacity or life skills to rationalise their actions, they act out of the primal instinct to protect their young.

The instinct to protect one’s family by walking across a border and packing oneself into a cargo container, is the same instinct as picking up a brick and screaming at the sky and making your stand, this far and no further. It is the same instinct that drives a father to say goodbye to his wife and child at a border in Ukraine, or a mother to pass her baby over a fence to a soldier in Kabul.

We, the enlightened and powerful countries of the world, are pushing peoples buttons. Our newspapers know what they are doing when they write their stories and publish their pictures. It’s a political game being played with real peoples lives.

@thehorsehasnowbolted No, people do not have the right to an easier or more practical life. But they do have the right to come and ask for our help, and I would suggest we have an obligation to be a kind and courteous host, and to listen while they say their piece. We do not do that. We play political games with them. Why, because they’re a useful distraction to how abysmally we run our country.

Indeed.
Will social services get involved?
I doubt it.
Too much like hard work.

Legally under international law we have to offer asylum to certain people. The reality that we do that so badly is not the fault of asylum seekers.

Your post was probably deleted because you said the asylum seekers were paedos and MAPs. Your misinformation about how the area was now safer. Your glee that the asylum seekers have asked to be moved. And your portrayal of the fascist thugs as patriotic saviours of our children.

It was breathtakingly, disgustingly, obviously racist.

I don't live there and like many, we earn enough that we can insulate DD from predators.

FFS!🤦‍♀️

My last post was to @ElliF.

But they do have the right to come and ask for our help, and I would suggest we have an obligation to be a kind and courteous host, and to listen while they say their piece

Of course they have the right to ask for help (and follow the appropriate procedures while doing so), but we do not have the obligation to provide that help when we can hardly look after our own. Resources are not unlimited, in spite of what The Guardian or certain parties would make you believe

but we do not have the obligation to provide that help when we can hardly look after our own

Your just pissing in the wind now as this is factually incorrect.

Maybe if we do not want to take responsibility for immigration, we should not run around the world using our money and our military to decimating their countries. Maybe if we want to pillage their land and take their resources, we do have an obligation to care for the people we harm.
It so easy not to give a F when you only want an excuse to say ‘no’, and you don’t ask why they are at your door in the first place.

This has been done to death as well

We are not responsible for all the ills of the world. Get a grip

Few idiots/thugs who probably weren't even from the area. You do know Op that people travel from other areas to get involved in trouble?

RTFT

Many posters are from the area and have said most of the protestors were local (and not all of them were causing trouble)

One,maybe two, have claimed to be from the area, however they chose to define it. None has said they were present. The person arrested and charged was not local.

I am not in Knowsley but I live in a town that has two hotels that now house 500 male asylum seekers. My friend teaches at the local High school and the police have been called a number of times because some of them have been approaching girls. Now that’s some out of 500. Trouble is you never know who the some will be.

Imagine going to an event where there will be an overwhelming amount of men such as a football match. Those stadiums filled with thousands of men of every race, religion and political persuasion how many do you think have the capacity for acts against women? From micro aggressions right up to rape and murder? More than you would care to think.

Men are the problem here, lots of men. It is a huge mistake and I write that as a long standing Labour supporter who will no longer vote Labour due to their not knowing what a woman is . I write it as a supporter of women, watching the left destroy itself completely has been distressing. The Left are just as much part of the problem as the Right because they have totally marginalised huge swathes of Labour supporters with their anti semitic and anti women rhetoric.

So am I.

Touché.

Why does the left absolutely hate white, working class girls and think they have no right to expect to have dignity and be kept safe from predatory men? Why are they always the first to be sacrificed on the alter of middle class politics?

Can you explain how far right protestors protect dignity and prevent violence against women and girls?

How are they far-right? Knowsley is one of the biggest Labour strongholds in the UK and most of the protestors were likely locals. Sure, there are bad eggs in every protest but most will be normal, working class people who are concerned for their daughters and have witnessed the inaction of politicians when it comes to protecting young vulnerable girls.

The protestors were not local. Most people arrested do not appear to be local.