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TooBigForMyBoots · 2023-02-11T20:38:53+00:00

...the UK is becoming? The scenes in Liverpool were shocking and I fear this is just the beginning.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 15/02/2023 09:13

but this is a group purporting to be concerned locals, protecting their local community and a group who are deliberately stoking tension in areas they themselves have nothing to do with - last week Knowsley, next Dunstable it seems...)

Most of the protestors were local and indeed concerned. Plus, the tensions already exist due to the incidents, they didn't need to 'stoke' anything

Piggywaspushed · 15/02/2023 09:22

How do you know most of the protestors were local??

Piggywaspushed · 15/02/2023 09:23

all go together and apply in the first safe place you come to

It really is not that simple.

Cuppasoupmonster · 15/02/2023 09:24

Piggywaspushed · 15/02/2023 09:23

all go together and apply in the first safe place you come to

It really is not that simple.

Do tell me why?

thehorsehasnowbolted · 15/02/2023 09:32

Piggywaspushed · 15/02/2023 09:23

all go together and apply in the first safe place you come to

It really is not that simple.

It is

Novatherova · 15/02/2023 12:09

Piggywaspushed · 15/02/2023 09:22

How do you know most of the protestors were local??

I live there

Piggywaspushed · 15/02/2023 12:24

Right. And the people who torched the police van and the man arrested for violent disorder live in Knowsley?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 15/02/2023 13:14

thehorsehasnowbolted · 15/02/2023 09:13

but this is a group purporting to be concerned locals, protecting their local community and a group who are deliberately stoking tension in areas they themselves have nothing to do with - last week Knowsley, next Dunstable it seems...)

Most of the protestors were local and indeed concerned. Plus, the tensions already exist due to the incidents, they didn't need to 'stoke' anything

This was classic instigation.

Use SM to make allegations and instill fear.
Leaflet a deprived area proposing a solution🙄 to their fear.
Cause violent disruption at the "problem solving protest".

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TooBigForMyBoots · 15/02/2023 13:17

Piggywaspushed · 15/02/2023 08:28

Here is an article about how the far right group PA operate , for those who care to or want to read it
TLDR : they co opt local issues in various ways in order to inflame any existing tensions, to recruit and to spread hate and division. Their views are abhorrent. Small at the moment, but, as the article says, organised and relatively effective.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/15/patriotic-alternative-trying-to-inflame-local-tensions-in-britain-to-spread-far-right-stance?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1676445220

(I note the reframing of the word 'local' upthread to include 'anyone with an accent of the region'. I normally wouldn't care if protestors weren't local if they were supporting others in a peaceful way : but this is a group purporting to be concerned locals, protecting their local community and a group who are deliberately stoking tension in areas they themselves have nothing to do with - last week Knowsley, next Dunstable it seems...)

Thank you for that @Piggywaspushed. I have no doubt they have members here.

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thehorsehasnowbolted · 15/02/2023 13:31

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/02/2023 13:14

This was classic instigation.

Use SM to make allegations and instill fear.
Leaflet a deprived area proposing a solution🙄 to their fear.
Cause violent disruption at the "problem solving protest".

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You (or most of us) don't know every person who was at this protest, so it's best not to make these kinds of dismissive assumptions

Some could have congregated spontaneously while some could have been more organised

It's still a protest by local people with concerns

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TooBigForMyBoots · 15/02/2023 13:54

The concerned people of Knowsley were set up @thehorsehasnowbolted.

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thehorsehasnowbolted · 15/02/2023 13:57

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/02/2023 13:54

The concerned people of Knowsley were set up @thehorsehasnowbolted.

You don't know this TooBig. It's disappointing that you are so quick to dismiss people's genuine concerns

MaryMcCarthy · 15/02/2023 13:59

The problem isn't people being right wing.

It's people being racists and bigots.

DdraigGoch · 15/02/2023 14:09

Piggywaspushed · 14/02/2023 11:54

The police have apologised for their actions towards the motorists. Not sure why you are making up excuses when they have apologised .

The Met apologise for lots of things, whether the apology is justified or not. It makes for a quieter life for the top brass.

DdraigGoch · 15/02/2023 14:11

But lo! it came out that the perpetrators aren't white and BAM! it's suddenly a huge problem. I wonder how much attention the people of Knowsley took of their girls and women before the immigrants/asylum seekers started approaching them? The way men suddenly prick their ears up and get interested in defending women and girls when it's not one of "them" doing the abusing or pestering never ever ceases to amaze me. It's astounding.

If a white man was filmed pestering a child for sex, the lynch mob would be out faster than you could say "nonce". Have you not seen what the online groups of vigilantes are like?

DdraigGoch · 15/02/2023 14:15

Novatherova · 14/02/2023 18:42

It was due to alleged reports of males staying at that hotel grooming and approaching school girls. The rumours have not been proven or confirmed by the Police. A mob mentality was created. That area of knowsley is very white population but never historically racist or right wing. It was horrifying seeing it all going on. Ashamed of the area to be honest.

"Alleged reports"? It was captured on camera.

What the police should have done - when the first incidents happened - is organised visible foot patrols in the area around the school and hotel to act as a deterrent and reassure the community. Did they do this?

DdraigGoch · 15/02/2023 14:19

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/02/2023 08:30

The ‘MET’ have no role or responsibility for monitoring ‘terror’ anywhere outside London. This is a meaningless statement.

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And "fastest growing" is completely meaningless unless you know what base you're measuring from.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 15/02/2023 15:20

DdraigGoch · 15/02/2023 14:15

"Alleged reports"? It was captured on camera.

What the police should have done - when the first incidents happened - is organised visible foot patrols in the area around the school and hotel to act as a deterrent and reassure the community. Did they do this?

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I have seen the footage. That girl dealt with the situation like a boss. I have so much respect for the way she handled it.

No one was pestered for sex. No one was groomed. No one was assaulted. There was zero evidence that this man lived at the hotel and indeed a man was arrested for the incident in another part of the country. So clearly not a resident at the target of the violent protest.

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DdraigGoch · 15/02/2023 15:32

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/02/2023 15:20

I have seen the footage. That girl dealt with the situation like a boss. I have so much respect for the way she handled it.

No one was pestered for sex. No one was groomed. No one was assaulted. There was zero evidence that this man lived at the hotel and indeed a man was arrested for the incident in another part of the country. So clearly not a resident at the target of the violent protest.

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It was pretty obvious what he aimed to get out of the encounter.

I'm not justifying mob rule, but your insinuation that this riot is evidence of widespread far right activity in the UK is wide of the mark.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 15/02/2023 18:21

I have seen the footage. That girl dealt with the situation like a boss. I have so much respect for the way she handled it

She shouldn't have had to go through this. What if she hadn't been able to handle it and things had escalated?

Even if she hadn't been underage she would have been at risk.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 16/02/2023 01:04

None of that happened @thehorsehasnowbolted.

What did happen was a disenfranchised community were set up by a violent far right group. Who actually assaulted people, caused ££££ of damage and degraded the reputation of Knowsley, Liverpool and the UK.

Nobody is safer today because of this riot.

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ElliF · 16/02/2023 02:42

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TooBigForMyBoots · 16/02/2023 03:03

I kindly request that no one reports the above post. I think it needs to stay.

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MichelleScarn · 16/02/2023 06:55

I have seen the footage. That girl dealt with the situation like a boss. I have so much respect for the way she handled it.
So as long as someone being harassed deals with it 'like a boss' then the actual harassment doesn't matter?

ElliF · 16/02/2023 08:41

TooBigForMyBoots · 16/02/2023 03:03

I kindly request that no one reports the above post. I think it needs to stay.

My apologies to anyone I offend with my post.
I didn't see it as offensive.
We have created a world that is so divided, and all sides are pulling to see if they can pull us all further apart.
I don’t live there, and like many we earn enough that we can insulate DD from predators.
I can only imagine how easy it is these days, to pray upon the children of families have so many more stresses and distractions in life than I.
We can name call and finger point all we like, but all we are doing is pulling society further apart, bit by bit, in out minds.🙏