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To feel unsafe as a woman nearly all the time

280 replies

mammatilly · 09/02/2023 13:54

I feel unsafe walking in rural areas
I feel unsafe walking at dusk/night
I feel unsafe home alone
I feel unsafe driving alone
I feel unsafe around male police officers
I feel unsafe around men

Our justice system is completely failing women in rape and domestic violence cases and is giving green light to men who wish to act violently

This patriarchal society is creating an Afghanistan style life for many women

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Catapultaway · 10/02/2023 12:16

Can't be bothered to RTFT, but no I don't feel like a women subject to the same risks and fears as those living under the Taliban 🙄

xogossipgirlxo · 10/02/2023 12:18

I would be afraid to walk in the evening in dodgy area, but driving alone? Are you sure you're not suffering anxiety? There's no safer transport option than driving in your own car. Much safer than waiting in the dark for a bus etc. Also it's very unlikely something will happen when you're home, have the doors locked etc.

RobertaFirmino · 10/02/2023 12:55

Can you not see that you are playing into their hands by imagining yourself as a weak and feeble woman. You can't go on like this, it isn't healthy. Learn self defence. Even the tiniest woman can take a man down if she knows what she's doing. Find out about things you can legally carry that make suitable weapons. Brush up on your defensive driving skills. Make your home as safe as possible. Work on your self confidence. And for goodness sake, read about women's lives in Afghanistan!

mammatilly · 10/02/2023 13:23

Peak misogyny rather than peak mumsnet

To feel unsafe as a woman nearly all the time
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mammatilly · 10/02/2023 13:24

Latest stats from www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/

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mammatilly · 10/02/2023 13:26

I agree referencing Afghanistan was unnecessary and inappropriate however it is the same trajectory

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mammatilly · 10/02/2023 13:28

A positive takeaway from this thread - so glad so many of you do not feel under threat and are living wild free lives

I will find martial arts training for me to build confidence.

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ilovesooty · 10/02/2023 13:29

I'm not living a "wild free life" : just a normal one.

As all the women I know do.

MarieRoseMarie · 10/02/2023 13:36

mammatilly · 10/02/2023 13:28

A positive takeaway from this thread - so glad so many of you do not feel under threat and are living wild free lives

I will find martial arts training for me to build confidence.

You need to go to a GP. Being afraid to be home alone or in a car alone isn’t just indicative of being clinically unwell, it’s making you less safe. Presumably you “need a boyfriend” in the car or home with you.

Martial arts is not enough. You are not well.

DesertIslandCondiment · 10/02/2023 13:37

mammatilly · 10/02/2023 13:28

A positive takeaway from this thread - so glad so many of you do not feel under threat and are living wild free lives

I will find martial arts training for me to build confidence.

Do you work with men? Do you feel threatened at work? This must be exhausting.

SleeplessInEngland · 10/02/2023 13:40

mammatilly · 10/02/2023 13:28

A positive takeaway from this thread - so glad so many of you do not feel under threat and are living wild free lives

I will find martial arts training for me to build confidence.

This goady attitude is confirming a lot of suspicions other posters have expressed.

MrsJBaptiste · 10/02/2023 13:53

This thread is so refreshing. Reading other threads, I honestly think I'm the only one not running scared every hour of the day.

autienotnaughty · 10/02/2023 13:53

I don't feel it to the extreme of your description but I think the majority of women adjust their life due to safety concerns-
Not walking home alone late at night
Having measures in place when travelling- texting to say you have arrived etc
Letting someone know if your going on a date
Making plans in advance when out late with friends for travel arrangements home

All of this things could be considered sensible, organised etc but they actual boil down to safety which is not something men typically consider.

Fifi00 · 10/02/2023 13:58

It's very offensive to Afghan women who aren't allowed an education past the age of 8, need a chaperone and can only be seen by female medical practitioners. No medical staff will be female as you can't have education after the age of 8 so women will die.
I would much rather live here Vs there.

sendbobs · 10/02/2023 14:18

mammatilly · 10/02/2023 13:26

I agree referencing Afghanistan was unnecessary and inappropriate however it is the same trajectory

So, you don't think it's inappropriate and are actually defending your analogy🙄🙄

BlackberrySky · 10/02/2023 14:29

The only one of the scenarios you refer to where I feel unsafe is walking alone late at night. I never do that any more - I drive, get a cab or a lift home, or don't go in the first place if those options aren't available.

lieselotte · 10/02/2023 16:11

I think the majority of women adjust their life due to safety concerns

I do too and I think those on this thread who claim they don't, and that they don't know any women who don't, are deluded or lying. Every woman does at some point.

lieselotte · 10/02/2023 16:14

Catapultaway · 10/02/2023 12:16

Can't be bothered to RTFT, but no I don't feel like a women subject to the same risks and fears as those living under the Taliban 🙄

That isn't what the OP said.

lieselotte · 10/02/2023 16:15

And I haven't had many bad experiences - in fact when I was reading Laura Bate's book I thought she'd been sexually hassled more in one morning than I had in my entire life. But that doesn't mean I don't watch where I walk and run.

MarieRoseMarie · 10/02/2023 17:36

lieselotte · 10/02/2023 16:11

I think the majority of women adjust their life due to safety concerns

I do too and I think those on this thread who claim they don't, and that they don't know any women who don't, are deluded or lying. Every woman does at some point.

No one has said they don’t adjust their life due to safety concerns, we have said we don’t adjust our life in the way the OP states.

I have never in my whole entire life - I truly swear - been afraid to order delivery due to being a woman alone in the house. I wish I had - I’d be stones thinner!

just never ever happened. Sorry you live a life of fear.

Onnabugeisha · 10/02/2023 18:52

lieselotte · 10/02/2023 16:11

I think the majority of women adjust their life due to safety concerns

I do too and I think those on this thread who claim they don't, and that they don't know any women who don't, are deluded or lying. Every woman does at some point.

Quite. The majority of people adjust their lives due to safety concerns: men, women and children.

Comedycook · 10/02/2023 18:54

The majority of people adjust their lives due to safety concerns: men, women and children.

Exactly. We lock our front doors. We lock our cars. We wear seatbelts

Eyerollcentral · 10/02/2023 21:47

mammatilly · 10/02/2023 13:26

I agree referencing Afghanistan was unnecessary and inappropriate however it is the same trajectory

No, no it isn’t in the slightest.

PeanutButterSmoothie · 11/02/2023 04:21

Onnabugeisha · 10/02/2023 08:46

@liselotte

The comment about it being outrageous that there is a comparison ;between white women and Afghan women does not belong on this thread. This is about male privilege, not white privilege

? Most Afghans are actually “white”. The majority ethnicities are the Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazara who are all white. They tend to have black/brown hair, light skin, and all the same eye colours as Northern Europeans/Asians- blue, green, grey, brown. As they live at high altitudes, they often are tan/sun weathered similar to Americans living in the Rocky Mtn states.

It was never a discussion about “white privilege” but rather the fact that if the OP truly thinks we live like our sisters in Afghanistan, she is not thinking clearly because there is quite literally no comparison between a British woman’s life and an Afghan woman’s life under the Taliban.

Took the words right out my mouth.

When the OP is trying to equate life in modern Britain to Afghanistan under Taliban rule it's a bit daft to try and say that people are unreasonable to point this out as ridiculous.

Newsflash: you live in a Western democracy where you can do pretty much anything you want.

tuvamoodyson · 11/02/2023 06:56

No, not my experience at all! But Afgahanistan??!!!