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I’m stopping them being grandparents apparently but I don’t know what else I can do?

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MediationNotWorking · 08/02/2023 12:32

DC is 8, and the only grandchild of my parents.

I am divorced and DC spends EOWend Friday to Sunday with ExH, this is court ordered. ExH refuses to see DC in the week so this is their only time together. I do not ask for a change to contact unless I have a very specific valid reason and can “repay” the contact at a later date.

I work FT across 4 days, ExH pays no maintenance because on paper he earns nothing at all (he lives on fresh air – or more likely out of his parents bank accounts). I use my day off to do appointments for DCs medical condition.
I feel like I hardly see DC in term time/the week. They’re in breakfast club every morning from 7.30am, and then 2 nights a week stay late at school for clubs, they also do scouting one another night a week – I would never ever stop these, DC loves them and gets so much out of them plus it would be being stopped for selfish reasons.

But that means EOWend is protected time. I want to spend time with my DC, take them places or help with their homework or just chill out at home because I basically pay to sleep there in the week.

I know this is typical for many single parents.

My parents hate it. They’re not together anymore so I already have to split myself in two sometimes as they won’t be in a room together. I try and see them both 1 Saturday a month for a couple of hours, sometimes that’s during the weekends DC is with their dad, sometimes I have DC with me.

Both have said it’s disgusting, I should be letting DC stay overnight with them and if that interferes with their contact with their dad then so be it because ExH refuses to do any of the grunt work. They tell me regularly that no-one is going to take DC off me because I stop them going to see ExH.

They’ve also both tried to petition the court for access to DC, 1 overnight a month each and 1 overnight every week of school holidays (so 1 each at October, February and June half terms, 2 nights each at Christmas and Easter, and 6 nights each in the summer). My dad also asked that he be allowed to take DC away for 1 week every year and that it would have to be during term time as he won’t go away in holidays.

It didn’t go to court but there was mediation and neither parent could understand why I can’t commit anymore time than I have. Neither of them have seen DC since Christmas (Mum Christmas Day dad Christmas Eve) because I’ve
just not got the time, I feel like I’m constantly trying to catch my breath and never see my own DC. I have refused both proposals.

Both have said I am stopping them from being proper grandparents, and dads threatened to “cut me off forever with no going back” if I don’t commit to the level of contact he wants.

I will add the mediator both times tell them that I should not ignore the CAO, and they (different ones for mum and dad) did not advise me to do that as it could land me seeing DC even less – and both shouted at the mediator saying it wasn’t fair to them. No resolution was reached in mediation for either.

So what can I do? I can’t do much else? But this stress is crippling me, I need a resolution. Any ideas? I have mediation again next week with one and the week after with the other.

OP posts:
Chimna · 08/02/2023 14:47

Personally in your situation I would cancel mediation and tell them where to shove their contact. Selfish bastards!

Signalbox · 08/02/2023 14:48

In my experience you do tend to develop a closer bond with a person if you are on a one to one with them. My siblings and I frequently spent time with relatives without our parents being there (because of family circumstances) and because of that we probably developed a closer bond with those family members, than we would have done otherwise.

Having said that your parents behaviour is weird. Badgering a parent into giving up time with their children when they don't want to is entitled and would definitely make me want to do the opposite.

Kennykenkencat · 08/02/2023 14:48

Chimna · 08/02/2023 14:47

Personally in your situation I would cancel mediation and tell them where to shove their contact. Selfish bastards!

This

i suspect even if you have in to their demands it would never be enough

pussycatinfluffyslippers · 08/02/2023 14:51

Mute them.
Don't let them rule your life.
I'd be quite concerned that they don't want YOU there. That sounds really odd to me.

diddl · 08/02/2023 14:52

So they were abusive to you & now expect you to hand your child over to them?

It does also sound like a competition between the two of them.

What was it like before you divorced?

ittakes2 · 08/02/2023 14:54

I would not let anyone see my children if it’s only on the provision that I wasn’t there.
is either of them prepared to do an early morning instead of breakfast club? Or a mid week sleepover and miss breakfast club?

Agapornis · 08/02/2023 14:58

Does your DC even want to spend time with them? It sounds like DC barely knows them.
Cut them off; they're not worth any inheritance or pandering.

Jux · 08/02/2023 14:59

Can you invite them each for dinner and tell them that you'll be taking the opportunity to have a long bath or something so that you'll be out of the way after you've eaten? They'll have the kids to themselves for most of the evening.

Robinni · 08/02/2023 15:00

I think parents are just going to have to suck it up and work together.

All this separate this and that. Load of shit. They are, if they want to see GC, and not totally screw their life, going to have to stop making it more complicated and get over themselves.

Whatever their differences, it is healthier if they see the child together, it makes it less complicated and the child has normal(ish) experiences with both grandparents present.

They don’t need to like each other but they do need to get on.

You could do something like see them once a week for a dinner, on the weekend you have DC they could have an afternoon out with you. Or they could help with pick ups and ferrying to and from clubs so they can see DC at club etc… that’s normal.

Obviously they feel cut out which is why they’ve gone to court mediation. If they can agree to go that length they can agree to not screw up the child’s life anymore.

1 weeks hol over the summer you all go. If they want an overnight once a week in hols , fine, but all present in the one house (your mothers one week, fathers the next, I’m sure they have a spare room!).

They are not being unreasonable in wanting weekly contact with DC, but they are being unreasonable in wanting you to pussy foot around their marital drama and inability to work together towards a common aim. And I’m not pitching in to help you as a full time working mother to deal with all the drop offs, pick ups and clubs if they want to be a part of DC’s life.

Also your ex sounds a right knob.

Topseyt123 · 08/02/2023 15:01

Stop engaging with either of them. Ignore them totally and even block them if needed.

They seem to think that grandparents have legal rights to their grandchildren. They don't. There is no such thing as Grandparents' rights in law, not unless they have been specifically appointed as legal guardians of the child concerned and I take it that that just isn't the case. That would probably be why their petitions never got to court.

Jux · 08/02/2023 15:02

posted too soon....
You'll still be there if the kids want you or if anything happens. If your parents won't accept that well, you'll be able to at least prove to mediator that you're trying.

I'm sure the mediators know exactly what sort of people your parents are, btw.

OpalexBlonde · 08/02/2023 15:02

I would cut them off completely, and let you and DD start a life without them around. It sounds like you would be doing your DD a massive favour, keep her safe away from their toxic behaviours.

Decorhate · 08/02/2023 15:05

Totally bizarre behaviour. It would actually get me wondering if your child would be at risk from them as they are trying to see him/her without you. What is the agenda?

Zaliea · 08/02/2023 15:06

This is the downside of being split-up. I used to see my grandparents with DD regularly and now not so much because of dad's conract. It makes me very sad. But they don't push and understand why this is. Your parents just sound selfish.

HellsCominWithMe · 08/02/2023 15:07

I’ve only read your OP.

your parents want you to facilitate the relationship. Ok

but WTF is stopping them from committing to one night a week EACH picking your DC up from school and taking them home/your home, feeding them, spending time with them which will ultimately help you save on childcare?

they can see DC more. They are choosing not to because it’s easier to blame you for not visiting than for them to get off their arses.

if there’s disability involved then my argument would be slightly different but the point remains. They CAN put more effort in.

tara66 · 08/02/2023 15:07

Remind them grandparents do not have any legal rights in England and Wales. They sound a complete nightmare.

Zaliea · 08/02/2023 15:08

They are not being unreasonable in wanting weekly contact

I think they are. Weekly contact is a lot GPs unless you live very close by and can just pop round for tea or something.

Zaliea · 08/02/2023 15:10

1 weeks hol over the summer you all go. If they want an overnight once a week in hols , fine, but all present in the one house (your mothers one week, fathers the next, I’m sure they have a spare room!).

That's ridiculous! You really think it's reasonable to go and live with your ex for a week just to see your grandkids??? Who goes to live with their ex full stop?

feemcgee · 08/02/2023 15:13

I don't have any advice, I just wanted to send you a virtual hug and say that you are doing so well despite the huge amount of pressure people are placing on you ❤

Redebs · 08/02/2023 15:13

Tell them they can pop round for tea - together - on one of the weekend afternoons that you have the children.
It won't be very frequent, obviously, because now the spring is coming, you and children might have lots of outings on your precious weekends. Maybe once a month for a couple of hours?
If they really can't bring themselves to do a joint visit, it will mean you will have to alternate and they will see less of the children unfortunately.

fruitbrewhaha · 08/02/2023 15:14

Oh goodness, this is not normal. Grandparents do not make a habit of petitioning the court for access or overnight stays with gc. This is truly fucked up. I think OP that you have lost sight of normal familial relationships. Tell them both to fuck off.

MuggleMe · 08/02/2023 15:17

Keep offering time with you there too. That is reasonable, alone time isn't. They can go to dinner one evening and go for a 20 minute walk or something.

Justmeandthedog1 · 08/02/2023 15:18

That’s appalling. Your child isn’t a parcel to pass around. Their focus should be that their dgc is happy, settled and well. They should stop their squabbling and support you, help with school runs, after school care.
I really don’t understand the grandparents rights brigade, and I’m a granny.

Topseyt123 · 08/02/2023 15:19

I should have added in my earlier post that I agree with those who are questioning the mediation.

Grandparents have no legal rights over their grandchildren. Therefore, why the hell do you need a mediator. STOP WITH THE RIDICULOUS MEDIATION. Let them carry on with it if they want to, but on their own. I just wouldn't bother even attending and would cut contact, after which I suspect you would find that life would suddenly become much, much easier and less stressful.

Rollin · 08/02/2023 15:22

They tried to take you to court??? You have a lot more patience than I do for even bothering with them after that.
If they won't come during the week, then sod them. They could pick up your DC from school, go to the park, bring them home and make tea and hang out while you do other stuff.
Or help out a bit. My DPs do get our DC's on their own and for hols but that's because they've showed themselves to be loving grandparents who fit their plans around DC 1st and we worked our way up to them having the kids on their own for hols or weekends.

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