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Sick of my grandmother and all her money

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TetherEndOfMy · 08/02/2023 08:42

Went to see my grandmother last night. She's in her mid 80s and constantly talks about how much money she has. I am a lone parent struggling to pay my bills and childcare. Every time I see her she asks 'how are you coping with paying bills?' and talks about how awful the cost of living crisis is for people like me. I never raise the topic of money. Last night she then continued on to talk about the two houses she needs to sell which will hopefully see £600k into her savings, and was talking about 200k she had 'lying around' and needed to put into some kind of investment. She then went on to ask me about which charities I 'recommend' she donates to when she dies as she wants to give most of her money away. Today I have phoned to tell her I'm busy and can't drop her shopping round as I feel like she is taunting me. I DO NOT expect her to give me money, I just hate the way she is so tone deaf. She's completely switched on at 84 years old and seems to think I'm some poor hopeless person. Anyway. I just needed to get that off my chest as I am facing having a pre payment meter fitted and am struggling not to cry into my Cereal.

OP posts:
VickyBarr · 09/02/2023 22:27

Tell her you're skint and could do with a few grand.

Maybe that's what she wants to hear.

She offloads some money, and you get a bit of respite.

Sandra1984 · 09/02/2023 22:28

Pardon44 · 09/02/2023 22:15

Tell her that you don't like talking about money and that you find it vulgar. Ask her questions about her childhood, favourite places or memories.

Forget that. Stop being taken advantage off. Tell her that she has enough money to pay for someone to do her shopping. Lots of young people looking for jobs in her area that will be happy to be bossed around in exchange of money. Why should you work for free for this woman when she's clearly taking advantage of you and being a c-nt?

Togoodtobeforgotten · 09/02/2023 22:35

I would be inclined to say you won't have time to visit her in future because you have to take on a 2nd job to help with your utility bills

bellylaughsalldaylong · 09/02/2023 22:36

I don’t understand people who have loads of money and leave it all the charity and ignore their flesh and blood in the will.

flame me all you like. Your gran sounds like a right cunt.

Bryonny84 · 09/02/2023 22:42

My dear Gran had no money but she would have gladly given me her last cent. She would have sold her jewellery for me if I needed money. Your Gran sounds very harsh and I would find it hard to continue to visit just to be almost told how much money she has but you're not getting any of it. Why put yourself through that?

jtaeapa · 09/02/2023 22:42

bellylaughsalldaylong · 09/02/2023 22:36

I don’t understand people who have loads of money and leave it all the charity and ignore their flesh and blood in the will.

flame me all you like. Your gran sounds like a right cunt.

Indeed

ecosystem · 09/02/2023 22:49

Brilliant idea!

DragonsFurry · 09/02/2023 22:57

OP she’s asked you how you’re coping with paying bills, that sounds like she’s thinking about your financial situation and will most likely want to leave you something. She has plenty so can give to a charity too.

Overworkedwithadog · 09/02/2023 23:07

@oakleaffy thanks and I agree! Not sure how to prevent that. (I know there are legal routes, but how they mesh with relationships, not so sure....) Hope for the best I guess. Just sad at what I'm reading on here.

Whatafliberty · 09/02/2023 23:19

We'll just be honest. Say to her that if she keeps talking about money you aren't going to be around as much. That while you are pleased for her you are genuinely struggling and that you need hers to be a pleasant place to be not somewhere where you are always reminded of what you don't have. If you must, reassert you aren't asking for money, just some compassion in what she discusses.

Then if she can't do it you've given her fair warning, no need to feel guilty, and back you step.

THIS

Schnooze · 09/02/2023 23:23

Agree warn her first you find it upsetting, then decide after that.

Stewball01 · 09/02/2023 23:55

She sounds terrible and you are a marvellous grandchild. My mother became peculiar (nasty) when my father died and she got old. A sharp tongue. I learned I was stupid. The carer who lived with her had her colour thrown in her face. We were not brought up like that. She didn't appreciate my sister who did everything for her, I no longer live in England. Haven't since 1968. My dad was the one with the open hands. I hope I don't become like that when I'm old. I'm only 78 🤣.
Like everybody says you must tackle your grandma. Good luck.

ZIEVAR · 10/02/2023 00:03

Rinkydinkydoodle · 08/02/2023 11:06

Sounds like you’re in a bit of a crisis stage at the moment and under a huge amount of stress. I am
sorry this is happening to you. I wouldn’t leave my family to struggle in the situation you’re facing, I don’t know why anyone would.

What do you want to happen? Would you maybe feel better seeing a bit less of your gran while circumstances are as bad as they are? Have you got space in your own load to help carry someone who doesn’t really need your help? Is she likely to mend her ways if you say something outright?

If it’s any consolation I work with a lot of people with money and many of them seem to think like your gran. They believe money in the bank makes them morally or intellectually superior to people facing financial issues. They also often think being rich should give them control over less affluent family members. Sadly, that actually works for them in a lot of cases, at least superficially, when said family members are motivated into dancing to their tune by the prospect of getting a share of the money. Waving the wallet to feel loved as an OAP wouldn’t be for me, but I suppose on the flipside it keeps older people feeling ‘relevant’ and like they’re at the centre of things at a time when they might otherwise be marginalised because they’ve become a social dependent rather than a pivotal member. Doesn’t make them pleasant company though.

As you’ve said you know she’s not obligated to help (although I think there’s a moral argument she should be helping out but I know not everyone would agree) as you’re a working adult. I
imagine if she wasn’t bragging about her money you wouldn’t be thinking about it. Some people just like to have an effect on other people’s emotions and money is one way of doing it.

What is being discussed on this thread is a form of emotional abuse, truth be told. Imagine an unhappily childless woman being persistently asked to discuss whether or not her sister should have a fourth child. ‘I mean, babies are great aren’t they but is four babies just too much? Would you babysit so we can still go out dancing?’ People, including your gran I bet, would immediately see that as flagrant cruelty but for some reason they think it’s fine when it’s talking to a person facing hardship about money. Comes back to this idea people with money are better at life than people without and having accrued wealth is evidence of some moral
good. In fact, capitalism is a bit of a c*nt and the pursuit of wealth is a cursed thing.

It’s tough to have an ongoing relationship with someone who doesn’t have your best interests at heart. A lot of people on here are stringent about not doing that. That approach works if you feel better once you’ve stopped dealing with them but conscience is a powerful thing. Not every relationship is so easy to extricate yourself from.

If you feel you have to keep helping your gran, someone once gave me a piece of advice to protect myself from mind-games (it seems like that’s what your gran is doing. Ultimately the reasons why she is doing it matter less than the adverse effect it’s having on you). The advice was simply answer the question you’re asked. Ie. ‘I don’t know much about investment/large charity donations, Gran, I think that’s one to talk to a financial advisor/ solicitor about, you know, experts who are qualified to give that sort of advice.’ Repeat to infinity. They call it ‘robot ears.’

There’s a quiet sort of power to robot ears, because a)you’re disengaging your brain from this nonsense, and b) by pulling away verbally and intellectually it’s a reminder to you that you don’t need to play their game. It’s sad for them. People can only hurt you as long as you expect better from them. You’re already losing respect for Gran, and if she doesn’t watch out, your life-long affection might not be far behind. I doubt it’s worth losing her greatest asset, and your good opinion, for the sake of talking about pounds, but that’s the path she’s on.

Given the pressure you’re already under, maybe it’s time to consider whether it’s healthier that your gran should be as self-sufficient as she encourages others to be. It’s rough to let an older person get on with things, I know. Presumably you help her out ‘cos you love her. You’re a good person and it’s a pity that’s not currently being rewarded.

I can also see some value to saying something like ‘gran, I really love you and I’m glad you’ve done well and are having a comfortable old age, that’s great and it’s a weight off my mind. I don’t want to see you struggle with your daily arrangements and I want to help you. I don’t know if you know this but I’m not doing so well right now. Despite the fact I can’t work any harder than I am, at the moment I’m barely able to pay my bills. So though I am happy to be here for you as a helper, I’m just not the right person to come to for discussions about what to do with large sums of money.’

Boundaries aren’t a bad thing, sometimes we all need to set boundaries. 84 is late to learn about how to interact decently with other humans but it’s not impossible.

What an informative post ! I would also ask if your Grandmother was always like this, or have there been gradual changes. Peoples character attributes can become really ingrained as they get older. Or, is she literally having the same conversation over and over. Repetative behaviour can be the sign of a Dementia.

Thesharkradar · 10/02/2023 00:26

the top tier were all crooks working for other crooks in the end
free money, other peoples money, always draws a feeding frenzy of fat parasites looking to get fatter, creaming off the profits while those below give time & donations for free thinking that the poor the vulnerable & the needy might be lifted a little. Not as much as these con-men

Thesharkradar · 10/02/2023 00:33

What an informative post ! I would also ask if your Grandmother was always like this, or have there been gradual changes. Peoples character attributes can become really ingrained as they get older. Or, is she literally having the same conversation over and over. Repetitive behaviour can be the sign of a Dementia
so is yours informative, albeit pithier!
and yes, high five to @ZIEVAR🖐

Mamanyt · 10/02/2023 01:11

Here's a thought, it may or may not be true. Your grandmother is the generation before me. She may have some societal left-overs from her era, where asking a person if they need help was considered highly inappropriate. This may be the way she is asking you if you could use some help. I've seen that happen before with those into their 80s. Discussion of another's finances was considered HIGHLY inappropriate, unless the person mentioned it first. Just a thought. I liked the idea that @underneaththeash put forth, actually. "Could one of those charities be me?"

Rinkydinkydoodle · 10/02/2023 01:38

@TetherEndOfMy

Read this thread waiting for you to pop up again & the stressful situation, your username and the long silence has me a wee bit concerned that you’re alright. Probably you’re just busy and knackered. You doing okay?

T1Dmama · 10/02/2023 01:47

I’d have said leave it to me, I’m a charity case… and laughed

T1Dmama · 10/02/2023 01:51

I’m in a similar situation, currently divorcing husband, single mother … counting the pennies…
my nan (96) moans she has too much money and has to pay council tax as over the threshold… wants to spend it on unnecessary crap to get rid of a few thousand…. But if we go out for a meal she lets my parents pay for hers …. Or mains and says ‘I’d have paid but £40 is a lot!! 😂

T1Dmama · 10/02/2023 01:56

Maybe say next time
‘No I’m not coping, I’m in debt with my bills and I don’t know how I’m ping to afford to heat the house and buy food next week. If she offers to help you then gracefully except and say thank you very much. If she offers a loan say you’d love one but have no idea how you’ll pay it back!…. She might be expecting you to ask for help and doesn’t want to offer encase you feel Insulted

Shed66 · 10/02/2023 07:42

It might be a test to see how you react. Genuinely, she’s alone most of the day, thinking about all of this & if she thinks you’re only going round to get an inheritance & not actually because you care she may well be considering giving it to charity. If I were you I’d suggest she leave some to a food bank. Lots of people are now dependent on them & I’d go as far to tell her that even you have had to use their services to make ends meet, this allows her to know that you’re struggling without asking her for anything & that way if it isn’t a test & if she is just ignorant to your needs, she might think 🤔 more about helping you out. Don’t lower your standards over money though. You help because you care, don’t let money or her perceived cantankerous attitude cloud that. Good luck.

ray8 · 10/02/2023 09:41

I would like to make a positive assumption: she is 80 and naturally she might be thinking about her future care plan, but she might be
embarrassed to ask you straight up. Maybe she's giving you a clue to offer extra time/help?

I would have an honest conversation with her, tell her that you'd like to help more but you're struggling financially, so if she can compensate you by either paying you the hourly carer's rate or monthly allowance you'd be happy to provide that extra time/help. That way you both can benefit.

If she doesn't agree to it then you can suggest her to contact Age UK as they provide paid personal care services. I would still visit her whenever I can but let her know that you don't fancy talking about her money and start a new topic.

AllTheThingsIWantAreHere · 10/02/2023 11:00

She still might need her money for herself though. She may have lots but care homes etc can be extremely expensive.

Thesharkradar · 10/02/2023 12:18

If she asks you to do anything for her just tell her what your hourly rate is, if she agrees but doesn't pay you tell her that next time you need money upfront
Then just leave it ....Mrs money bags can pay for whatever she needs, she has no grounds to claim she is dependant on you for anything🤷

VickyBarr · 10/02/2023 13:00

AllTheThingsIWantAreHere · 10/02/2023 11:00

She still might need her money for herself though. She may have lots but care homes etc can be extremely expensive.

Should not disposed of some money. In case the state takes it off her, for care ?

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