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DoNotGetADog · 03/02/2023 11:12

PennyToffee · 02/02/2023 21:45

Rishi Rich knows what to say to get the votes. Let's face it he hasn't got much else going for him.

It's all spin.

I don’t think that’s fair - I’m sure he knows what a woman is - he’s just said a basic fact. It’s hardly him just saying something to get votes. That’s what a woman is. Everyone knows this really, whatever they may say.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 03/02/2023 11:15

If it’s so straight forward to say women are adult human females, why aren’t Labour saying it?

if Labour are the party that cares about women, how can they implement pro women policies when they don’t know what a woman is & can’t measure the impact because their stats will include women & men who say they are women?

If Labour are pro women why are they happy to allow programmes designed to improve women’s representation in politics to be taken by men?

if Labour are pro women how are they ok with women’s refuges and rape support groups including men?

if Labour are pro women why do they allow one of their own female MPs to be bullied by their own party?

if Labour is so pro women how is it LRM has not had the whip removed fjr his behaviour in the HoC?

If Labour is so pro women how come David lammy was allowed ti call us rights hoarding dinosaurs?

if Labour are so much better for women how is it that even now with everything that’s happened they still can’t stand up and say “women are adult human females’?

SidewaysOtter · 03/02/2023 11:17

Excellent post, @lifeturnsonadime

I see the usual left-wing tribalism is out in force: "You're either completely with us or you're an EVIL TORY". I say this as a naturally fairly left-leaning sort, I find that black and white thinking quite embarrassing to read. And as for the idea that women who use foodbanks couldn't possibly care about women's rights...jeez, what an excellent example of how some on the Left like to fetishise the poor.

On one hand I wish Starmer would put a hand round his back and find his bleeding spine. But it's no use him coming out and saying "Woman = adult human female" because a) many would assume he's saying that because it's politically advantageous rather than because he really believes it and b) there are a LOT of other people in the Labour Party who don't believe that at all.

I'm seriously considering voting Tory at the next election, partly over the issue of women's rights and partly because I trust the current Tory administration with the economy more than I trust Labour with it. I don't like some Tory policies but if I waited for a party whose policies I agreed with 100% I'd be waiting an awfully long time. I don't see voting as a "Choose a party and nail your colours to that mast for the rest of your life regardless" situation, that's ridiculous. I vote on the basis of each party's stances at the time.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 03/02/2023 11:19

UWhatNow · 02/02/2023 22:35

And yet it one statement the evil Tories have managed to quell a lot of anxiety that many women genuinely feel, however patronising you want to be about it.

If all the other parties are so morally and ideologically superior and cared about women why don’t they say it? Instead of gaslighting and calling us ‘hoarders of rights’ ffs. Hoarders. Just let that sink in. Hoarding of hard won rights that protect our bodies, dignity and livelihoods.

Healthcare and any vulnerability would be a living nightmare without sex-based protections. Sharing a tin of beans is small fry compared to enforced unisex arrangements.

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I really don't' understand why you believe that the Tories have managed to quell anxiety? Just because they can parrot the right statement. They are good at that. Saying whatever it takes to keep their twat colony intact and in power.

I'm a woman and I'm anxious. Rishi's statement means nothing to me. He doesn't care about anybody other than those who can keep him in power. I'm longing for a 'party of the people' but, that's not what we've got. I don't know if we'll ever have one?

I'm with VladmirsPoutine on this and we are missing a trick if we start nit-picking other women for their righteous anger. 'Wimmin' is only insulting to me when men use it to denigrate women. Other women making their points can use it just fine as far as I'm concerned.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 03/02/2023 11:21

... and I filled in an NHS questionnaire this week following a stay in hospital. I was horrified to see the medical relevance of women's problems being proferred as an option to transwomen. Transmen were referenced with men. Medically. Just how did this ever get there?

I gave my feedback, care/stay all fine, thanks - what the hell is up with that ridiculous categorising at the end?

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 11:28

n an NHS questionnaire this week following a stay in hospital. I was horrified to see the medical relevance of women's problems being proferred as an option to transwomen. Transmen were referenced with men. Medically. Just how did this ever get there?

How did we get there, well the 'most vulnerable tiny minority' managed to get the backing of a powerful lobby group which went into organisations like the NHS to convince them that gender is more important than sex.

This same lobby group has the full backing of the Labour Party who seek to entrench these ideas.

For anyone new to these issues interested in 'how did we get there?' I would suggest the Nolan Podcasts a good place to start -

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph

This thread is also an eye opener, (it was for me) -

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

If you believe after all of this that it is important that women keep sex based rights, contrary to what the Labour Party think then I would suggest you lobby your LP MP or candidate about your feelings and sign this petition -

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2

FlowerArranger · 03/02/2023 11:31

ReneBumsWombats · 03/02/2023 08:44

I won't vote Tory. But until Labour can sort this mess out, I won't vote them either.

So many great comments and explanations on this thread.

But this is what it boils down to. We have no one to vote for who has our back.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 03/02/2023 12:14

lifeturnsonadime, many of us HAVE been doing just that, not sitting idle hence my annoyance that this has ever been allowed to seep into established usage, by a national body ffs!

OneEnchantedEvening · 03/02/2023 12:17

smileladiesplease · 02/02/2023 21:09

Rishi tonight on talk TV

piers 'what is a woman?'

Rishi 'an adult human female!'

Fffsssss Starmer wake the bastard fuck up!!!!!!!

Seriously now read the bloody room!!!!! I want to vote Labour again please

A woman has:

xx chromosone
an extra layer of subcutaneous fat
a vagina

A woman does not have;

:e a penis
a scrotum

A woman does not have and has never had a penis.

It is a sad and stupid state of affairs that what a woman is, has become a point of discussion.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 12:22

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 03/02/2023 12:14

lifeturnsonadime, many of us HAVE been doing just that, not sitting idle hence my annoyance that this has ever been allowed to seep into established usage, by a national body ffs!

My post wasn't aimed at you personally it is for anyone new to these issues.

Many many people won't have the full picture and will be wondering how we've got to the stage that a woman was raped in a NHS hospital and then told it couldn't have happened because there were no men on the ward?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/17/hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-alleged-attacker-transgender/

And they might also reasonably wonder why Labour is so hell bent on making it easier for males to gain access to single sex spaces by introducing Self ID policies and why Labour MPs, such as Nadia Whittome, deny that this has a negative impact on women's rights.

Metabigot · 03/02/2023 12:23

dodgedabullet · 03/02/2023 08:06

I'm a woman and I don't understand why anyone privileged enough to be male would want to unidentify themselves as female.

They never think woman = housework, low pay, lack of career progression etc.

No, it's always push up bras, lippy, heels and the right to use the ladies loos

Unsure33 · 03/02/2023 12:25

LakieLady · 03/02/2023 10:55

I agree that it's being used as a distraction, and it's bloody well working.

It's women that are bearing the brunt of the effects of Tory austerity (more likely to be on low incomes, be single parents, need hospital appointments etc), but everyone's getting in a froth about possibly being in a changing room with a transwoman.

I've got trans colleagues, of both genders, and have had trans clients. And if any of them are a risk to women, I'd be absolutely gobsmacked.

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But it’s not just that is it ? Why should an elderly lady not be able to chose a female carer . Why should womens refuge not just be for women . Why should a man win business woman of the year . Why should women cyclists not have their own category . Why should an old age pensioner have to walk past men at urinals . Why should women be called chest feeders ? It’s the bigger picture. I don’t care what people wear or who they sleep with but this is undermining everything that we have fought for .why should girls be taught about breast binders and be given male hormones at a young age then be given “ top surgery “

. And actually it is making it worse for trans people not better .

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 12:27

No, it's always push up bras, lippy, heels and the right to use the ladies loos

That's because of the 'thing that we cannot talk about'. There is often a common denominator in these males. Google Blanchard and you'll get the gist.

Now why are the Labour Party hell bent on eroding women's rights for these males?

Unsure33 · 03/02/2023 12:28

Metabigot · 03/02/2023 12:23

They never think woman = housework, low pay, lack of career progression etc.

No, it's always push up bras, lippy, heels and the right to use the ladies loos

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It’s a power thing . They have sold the emporers new clothes and young people are bearing the brunt of it and parents are not allowed to speak out.
it’s not about stopping the genuine determined individuals who may be happier , it’s about saving those with gender dysmorphia being genuinely mixed up . And in some cases it has really ruined their lives for ever .

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 03/02/2023 12:30

lifeturnsonadime, that's ok, my ffs wasn't aimed at you either, it was aimed at the thickwits who signed off the NHS questionnaire.

Unsure33 · 03/02/2023 12:30

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 12:27

No, it's always push up bras, lippy, heels and the right to use the ladies loos

That's because of the 'thing that we cannot talk about'. There is often a common denominator in these males. Google Blanchard and you'll get the gist.

Now why are the Labour Party hell bent on eroding women's rights for these males?

Yes it’s not a vote thing is it? It’s a power thing ? Like wales not letting parents have any say in sex education for example on religious grounds ?

StarsSand · 03/02/2023 12:32

Please take this conversation over to the echo chamber that was set up to contain this BS to one place.

DisappearingGirl · 03/02/2023 12:32

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 10:00

A tweet from a Labour MP this morning -

twitter.com/NadiaWhittomeMP/status/1621111231506485249

Nadia Whittome MP
@NadiaWhittomeMP
🏳️‍⚧️ Finland has passed a law enabling trans people to change their legal gender by self-declaration.

It joins Ireland, Argentina, Denmark, Portugal + many more countries that have demedicalised the process, with no detrimental impact on women’s rights.

Time for the UK to follow.

Just in case you don't really think Labour intends to remove women's rights.

It absolutely does. With SELF ID women have no word to describe ourselves. Any man can be a woman if he says so.

Oh shit.

I was about to say I don't think Labour/Starmer would actually bring in self-ID having seen what's happening in Scotland. I was about to say both Labour and Tories would probably just keep the status quo regarding the GRC in England.

Looks like I may be wrong 😒

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 12:32

Unsure33 · 03/02/2023 12:30

Yes it’s not a vote thing is it? It’s a power thing ? Like wales not letting parents have any say in sex education for example on religious grounds ?

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Yes it's quite something that the liberal left (world wide) has done such a number on women.

You just have to ask yourself who stands to gain? Spoiler: it's never the women.

unsureatthispoint · 03/02/2023 12:33

Unsure33 · 03/02/2023 12:30

Yes it’s not a vote thing is it? It’s a power thing ? Like wales not letting parents have any say in sex education for example on religious grounds ?

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They would ban religion if it was up to them as it's interfering with their power grab objectives

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 12:33

StarsSand · 03/02/2023 12:32

Please take this conversation over to the echo chamber that was set up to contain this BS to one place.

No this impacts all women and mothers, it is not a sleazy conversation that needs to be pushed to one side.

BigFrau · 03/02/2023 12:35

StarsSand · 03/02/2023 12:32

Please take this conversation over to the echo chamber that was set up to contain this BS to one place.

And yet you clicked on it AND felt the need to comment

MarshaBradyo · 03/02/2023 12:35

StarsSand · 03/02/2023 12:32

Please take this conversation over to the echo chamber that was set up to contain this BS to one place.

No from me too

Hide the thread if you can’t take discussion re women’s rights

Thelnebriati · 03/02/2023 12:48

@LakieLady The nice men we know are not the ones we have in mind when making legislation around sex based facilities or safeguarding.

StarsSand · 03/02/2023 12:51

@MarshaBradyo

Stay in your echo chamber if you can't take people who don't agree.