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what to do about dog problem?!

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sundaysundae1 · 31/01/2023 23:59

i know this comes up time and time again on here, and some people have very strong opinions on the situation, but after yet another walk where my dog was harassed by an absolute monster off the lead, and another tragic dog bite story in the news, im frankly sick of it.

I have a beautifully natured retriever who comes everywhere with me. We have horses and access to land, and he can run within the grounds of the property which is all fenced off anyway. We also frequently go to dog fields and dog areas where they are allowed off the lead. But when walking in public- parks, streets, countryside, fields and basically everywhere else, he stays on the lead. He is fully trained and socialised and i would trust him with my life and he largely ignores other people and animals unless they stop to pet him, but he is a dog! They can do impulsive things. I dont trust that he wouldnt get hyper and run up to a family to say hello and accidentally knock over a child with excitement, or that he wouldnt run up to another dog to play. He wouldnt mean any harm, but not everybody likes other dogs and frankly i wouldnt want a strange dog running up to me or my kids. Just because i think he's the cutest, most adorable boy in the world doesnt mean that to someone else he's not a terrifying giant slobbery monster that could hurt them. Therefore he stays on the lead at all times.

i am sick to the back fucking teeth of other idiotic and selfish dog owners letting their badly behaved dogs off the lead to approach other people and dogs. he is on the lead. he doesnt want to say hello and neither do i. I just dont undestand the mindset that that behaviour is ok? its even scarier around livestock in rural areas- i dont care how well trained your dog is, NOBODY can guarantee their dog wont impulsively chase sheep or animals. Even if these owners are so selfish not to care about others- dont they realise their dog could be shot dead by the farmer?! if you love your dog so much, why would you risk their safety like that?!

and as for the discussion about dangerous breeds and the massive increase in bites, we absolutely need to change the law around dog ownership. We need to tighten up about certain dog breeds. Yes, all dogs can bite and kill including my retriever, but some of these dogs are built like hippos and have traits bred specifically for fighting or aggression, and are completely unsuitable for 99% of owners. The idea that anyone upon turning 18 can go and buy an XL bully with absolutely no training or licensing is insane. Im sick of excuses that Rover the american mastiff x pittie x malinois x XL bullie is a safe gentle giant who wouldnt harm a fly. Im sure he is, but if he followed his instincts and breed traits and ended up mauling someone, it would be much more catastrophic than from other dogs. From a dog owner perspective, i dread seeing these dogs because im terrified of them breaking free and ripping my dog to shreds. I was harassed and chased by an out of control XL bully/pitbull type dog whilst on my horse which i genuinely thought would maul my horse with me on it. This animal was built like a tank and it was the most terrifying moment of my life.

I also want to clarify that I've actually owned 2 dogs of a breed considered to be 'bad' and they were dogs with a working purpose. Dogs like malinois' are largely unsuitable for non working homes and we need to stop pretending otherwise.

But on the flip side, the problematic dog owners with out of control dangerous breeds will still find a way to own these dogs- after all pitbulls are banned yet still a relatively common dog. And if these problematic owners are prevented buying these dogs and get a less notorious breed, will this breed then end up becoming problematic too?

people mention dog licenses and tighter control of dog ownership but the problematic dog owners dont care about that and it wont make a difference

we have a real problem with some entitled dog owners but i honestly dont know what the solution is!

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Redebs · 01/02/2023 07:23

Prey dogs are less of a risk to humans.

gettingalifttothestation · 01/02/2023 07:27

I think your making a massive fuss about not much. Just carry on walking I've never had a problem I just pop him back on lead never had an issue. You said you have access to fields etc so why not just keep him there instead of taking him everywhere if you find it a problem ? Just walk on your land. Problem solved

KendrickLamaze · 01/02/2023 07:28

Redebs · 01/02/2023 07:23

Prey dogs are less of a risk to humans.

Not small children the size of prey.

Tekkentime · 01/02/2023 07:32

Why do dog owners seem to not want any solutions to this?

Stop defending yourselves and actually do something about it.

Prevention is better than cure because eventually something will have to be done if it carries on like this.

Aleaiactaest · 01/02/2023 07:36

Dogs in U.K. - bit like guns in the US now. Too easy to purchase and own by incompetent persons so a crazy owner/uncontrolled dog can lead to devastating consequences.

Look up the laws that places like Switzerland and Singapore impose on dog owners and you have your answer.

KendrickLamaze · 01/02/2023 07:37

Tekkentime · 01/02/2023 07:32

Why do dog owners seem to not want any solutions to this?

Stop defending yourselves and actually do something about it.

Prevention is better than cure because eventually something will have to be done if it carries on like this.

They do but they want sensible ones that look at the root of the problem not blaming a whole group of perfectly good dogs for the actions of a few bad owners.

For example

Dog license including proven level of control, training and care

Training for people on common dog behaviours, signs aggression, common courtesy to other dogs and owners.

On a lead in a public place or where appropriate

Proper complaints process for repeat offenders

Full control in public places and not just by legal definition.

Understanding other dogs and dog owners don't want your dog harassing them in public

Plus more

This is a massive issue that I gave on most dog walks because someone's labradoodle doesn't need full training because it's not possible for them to hurt anyone.

Ivyleaguestoner · 01/02/2023 07:47

Breed does matter.
My son doesn't need a license for his balance bike as if he ran over someone's foot, it wouldn't kill them.
I need a licence for my car because if I ran them over it would.
There are so many cretins in my neck of the woods with dangerous dogs who don't have the intelligence, self restraint, dedication or empathy needed to be a good dog owner. They are absolutely the sort of people who shouldn't be able to own a hamster, and yet they can go on gumtree with £500 and get a dog capable of killing someone. Add into that social factors, we live in a city, most people rent, lots of flats, there's not much green space that isn't very busy with people and dog walkers and lots of children going in and out of each others houses. It's a death waiting to happen.

SavoirFlair · 01/02/2023 07:51

Fascinatingly , the other “Dogs are vile” thread has been deleted by Mumsnet for “breaking the Talk guidelines”.

Didn’t see one deleted post on there or any abuse.

Was it upsetting the advertisers? Did too many people “complain”?

what to do about dog problem?!
Foxywood · 01/02/2023 07:53

. Equally, there are people with irrational fears of dogs who infect their children with irrational fears of dogs and feel it’s justified to scream that a dog came within ten metres of them.

No there isn’t - in all my 71 years ive never met anyone like this - but I’ve met hundreds of untrained dogs.

MissMaple82 · 01/02/2023 07:54

Not another one ffs

Hooverthestairs · 01/02/2023 07:57

If your dog is bad with other dogs that’s your problem not the owner of the friendly dog.

If your dog is out ot control you and breaking the law, regardless of how friendly they are.

My dog is perfectly capable of making dog friends and he likes calm dogs. He is now scared of dogs that he doesn't know running up to him in his face (which what badly socialised dogs do by the way), because of...you guessed it...the friendly brigade running over and diving on him, barking in his face, humping him, jumping up at my child. He has also been bitten by off lead dogs 3 times and pinned by off lead dogs 4 times.

If your dog cannot be recalled they shouldn't be off lead. I don't care if they are a puppy, use a long line, that is what they are for.

Spendonsend · 01/02/2023 08:01

As a dog owner Id like more places designatded no dogs, more public places designated on lead dogs only and more places that are for off lead dogs that you pay a small fee for like a national trust nattional but for dogs that others can avoid.

Cherry60 · 01/02/2023 08:02

My dog was viciously attacked on two occasions - once by a collie, once by some sort of bull terrier, both times totally unprovoked. Believe me, any sensible controls would get support from responsible dog owners.

dirt · 01/02/2023 08:04

Cherry60 · 01/02/2023 08:02

My dog was viciously attacked on two occasions - once by a collie, once by some sort of bull terrier, both times totally unprovoked. Believe me, any sensible controls would get support from responsible dog owners.

This

SoupDragon · 01/02/2023 08:05

Dogs are allowed in this country and can be off the lead. If your dog is bad with other dogs that’s your problem not the owner of the friendly dog.

Utter nonsense.

my dog is old and has lost a lot of his peripheral vision along with a loss of hearing, he doesn't want any uncontrolled "friendly" dogs bounding up to him whilst he is pottering around on lead.

keep your off led dog away from dogs who are on lead as they are on led for a reason. If your dog won't stay away when you call them, keep them on a lead.

SharkVega · 01/02/2023 08:16

He is fully trained

I dont trust that he wouldnt get hyper and run up to a family to say hello and accidentally knock over a child with excitement, or that he wouldnt run up to another dog to play

Which is it? Because you say trained but if you can't trust your dog not to run up to a random family they're not trained.

My lab is off lead everyday in appropriate places, I unfortunately don't have lots of private land, but she's been trained from 12 weeks not to approach people and/or on lead dogs.

Grimchmas · 01/02/2023 08:17

@nalabae The information behind my post is widely available in news reports and summarised on Wikipedia. I've written a post with more statistics on one of the other threads, feel free to take a look.

I'm an animal professional who has come across bull breeds including American XL yes. I've never had a problem with any individual, but statistics and a breed/type's predisposition don't really care about individuals' experiences. To play devils advocate it's always "ooh they were lovely, wouldn't hurt a fly," until they aren't.

I've had to break up dog fights and 100% every darn day I'd rather deal with a bite from any other breed than any bull breed type. They are built to do damage, and I'm not at all convinced that they should be in the hands of the general population.

Nottodaty · 01/02/2023 08:17

I have a spaniel - well trained & recall is very very good - as is commands for example if I see a young family with a toddler she will respond to lay and wait for release. Taken lots of training & effort. But she still a dog & as much as I trust her I always cautious.

A friendly dog isn’t one who comes running up to another dog and then won’t be recalled back while winding up my dog - imagine being on a walk & an unknown person comes running up
to you uninvited - how would you react.

Bad dog owners will always be around licences won’t change that - but maybe get people to think?

vivainsomnia · 01/02/2023 08:51

You seem to be confusing a number if issues that are all quite different.

he doesnt want to say hello and neither do i. I just dont undestand the mindset that that behaviour is ok?
Where I live, this is normal behaviour. Dogs and owners say hello. If an owner doesn't want to or the dog isn't friendly, the onus is on them to say so. Everyone is very friendly and I have made new friends that way. Maybe it's a regional thing.

I don't have my dog on the lead around sheep. Shock horror! They have been trained to stay away and they do. ALL THE TIME. They are not interested and if anything are frightened of them. The local farmers know us and have no issue because they know this dog is no threat. Yet very occasionally some strangers will go all rightful giving us a lecture even when we try to explain and then turn aggressive when I finally say to mind their own business.

Agressive dangerous breeds are a completely different matter. I don't understand why anyone would own such a dog let alone with small children.

sundaysundae1 · 01/02/2023 08:54

AnotherNameChanges · 01/02/2023 06:30

Wow! OP, hardly anyone is as rich and privileged as you. Most people don't have access to acres of private land. Are only the rich allowed a dog?

My puppy loves to play with other dogs. I walk him in a field near me where other people walk their dogs. We are training him to come back when called, but he's a puppy so doesn't always obey!

If I take him to the playpark or near a school etc... Or areas where there may be children or dogs are not expected to be present, I always keep him on the lead, but in rural fields where there are other dog walkers and dogs are expected to be, I let him off the lead to run and have fun. I am mindful and if I see him run towards people.or other dogs, I call him back and keep him on the lead until checking with the other owners that the dogs can be let off to play together, then I let him off again. Like I say, he's a puppy and doesn't always come back, but he's nearly there.

It’s NOTHING to do with being rich and privileged. It’s everything to do with being a sensible dog owner!

there are plenty of dog fields which are enclosed and specific for dogs to run about in and can be booked for very very cheaply. If your puppy doesn’t have 100% recall it should not be off the lead in rural areas! What if it randomly decided to chase livestock, or a horse, or god forbid other people just didn’t want it running up to them? My dog is great with other dogs but when we walk that doesn’t mean I’m happy with other dogs running up to us!

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sundaysundae1 · 01/02/2023 08:58

SharkVega · 01/02/2023 08:16

He is fully trained

I dont trust that he wouldnt get hyper and run up to a family to say hello and accidentally knock over a child with excitement, or that he wouldnt run up to another dog to play

Which is it? Because you say trained but if you can't trust your dog not to run up to a random family they're not trained.

My lab is off lead everyday in appropriate places, I unfortunately don't have lots of private land, but she's been trained from 12 weeks not to approach people and/or on lead dogs.

It’s both. He’s fully trained. But he’s a dog, an animal, with instinct. I love him too much to risk him having an impulsive moment and running into a field of sheep and getting shot, or running up to a family to say hello. Just like children- even the most well behaved, well brought up children will have silly moments. Nobody can 100% guarantee their dog won’t have an impulsive silly moment and chase a horse, or chase sheep.

your dog sounds fantastic to have great recall, it’s the owners who let their dogs off the lead and feel it’s their right for the dog to approach everyone and everything that are the problem.

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Foxywood · 01/02/2023 08:59

The problem with telling people to keep their dog on a lead is that a pita dog loose is most likely a pita (that's p.i.t.a not pit) dog at home - so letting them run loose tires them so they are a less pia in the home.

crosspusscrossstitcher · 01/02/2023 09:00

Muzzle in public places.

sundaysundae1 · 01/02/2023 09:04

vivainsomnia · 01/02/2023 08:51

You seem to be confusing a number if issues that are all quite different.

he doesnt want to say hello and neither do i. I just dont undestand the mindset that that behaviour is ok?
Where I live, this is normal behaviour. Dogs and owners say hello. If an owner doesn't want to or the dog isn't friendly, the onus is on them to say so. Everyone is very friendly and I have made new friends that way. Maybe it's a regional thing.

I don't have my dog on the lead around sheep. Shock horror! They have been trained to stay away and they do. ALL THE TIME. They are not interested and if anything are frightened of them. The local farmers know us and have no issue because they know this dog is no threat. Yet very occasionally some strangers will go all rightful giving us a lecture even when we try to explain and then turn aggressive when I finally say to mind their own business.

Agressive dangerous breeds are a completely different matter. I don't understand why anyone would own such a dog let alone with small children.

yeah- the dog that attacked my horse in the field was apparently always good around livestock, and had never even looked at a horse/sheep/cow before. He had an impulsive moment, as dogs do, and chased and nearly killed my horse. And the dog that chased me down the road whilst I was on my horse was also apparently good with livestock and trained to be off the lead. They’re dogs. Not machines. You can’t guarantee they will come back 100% of the time and with livestock the risk of them not coming back is too much to take. Have you seen what a dog can do to a sheep? Never mind the miscarrying side of it. I’m sure the farmer won’t be so fine with it if the entire flock miscarries. And I’m sure you won’t be so fine with it when your spaniel is shot by the farmer.

there is NO reason to put your dog off the lead round livestock. There are plenty of dog fields and specific off lead areas for dogs to go to.

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