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Just not convinced that DD doesn’t want children

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Lilliansway · 30/01/2023 14:32

Last year, after unsuccessfully TTC for 3 years, DD and her DH were diagnosed with unexplained infertility. It hit DD very hard indeed. She‘s an only child and has always told me that her dream is to have a big family. Since being a teenager she’d told me of a deep rooted fear/instinct she had that she couldn't have children. As a mother, I of course tried to rationalise these fears, yet sadly those fears have become a reality.

Up until now they’ve been on the waitlist for IVF, until today DD tells me that they are no longer going to have children and have decided to get a dog instead. DD says that they just don’t want children after all and will be happier and wealthier in the long run without. Hearing this was a shock, given DD’s prior wishes and I can’t help but feel that it’s a decision to protect herself from the stress/potential disappointment of IVF, as I know she can bury her head in the sand and avoid tough situations.

I don’t want to be a pushy parent but equally it would break my heart to sit by and watch DD to avoid something she really does want, only to regret it later in life when it’s far too late. They are both turning 30 this year, so they don’t have time on their side either. Would greatly appreciate some guidance on how to raise this topic sensitively with DD.

OP posts:
KettrickenSmiled · 30/01/2023 15:37

Hearing this was a shock, given DD’s prior wishes and I can’t help but feel that it’s a decision to protect herself from the stress/potential disappointment of IVF, as I know she can bury her head in the sand and avoid tough situations.
Of course it was a shock, but your job as her mother is to separate your feelings from hers, & step back.

I imagine that self-protection does form part of the reasons for her decision.
It may even be 100% of the reason.
So what? A tendency to react by avoiding tough situations isn't a crime, it's a sensible tactic in many situations.

The most sensible thing you can do about your response to your daughter's response is remember that she is not you. She does not think like you, does not motivate herself like you, & does not live her life like you. She may have familial traits & similarities of outlook, but - & I cannot emphasise this too strongly - SHE IS NOT YOU.

One of the hardest parenting jobs is knowing when to let go, so I feel for you, but you have to now respect her adulthood & personal agency.

I don’t want to be a pushy parent but equally it would break my heart to sit by and watch DD to avoid something she really does want, only to regret it later in life when it’s far too late. They are both turning 30 this year, so they don’t have time on their side either.
If DD has regrets, she will own them, in the same way she is now owning her decision not to pursue IVF.

Again - her regrets will not be your regrets.
Apologies for being personal, but are you sure you are not conflating your current (& understandable!) regret over her decision with an imaginary future regret you are creating on her behalf, because you are finding it difficult to separate your sense of self from DD as a separate person?

I know how hard it can be to do that, but for both your sakes, please think on that before saying something you could come to regret just as much as you regret DD's decision.

Would greatly appreciate some guidance on how to raise this topic sensitively with DD.
The stark reality can be summed up in one word: DON'T.

It is not your topic to raise.
It is not your body, not your potential baby, not your childfree future life.

In different circumstances ... you might have had a grandchild by your daughter. It's ok to regret that, to feel sorry for her (& yourself, but grieve silently & separately for that too, while she is still processing).
What you CANNOT risk is DD - whose own feelings will be a bloody maelstrom right now - imagining that you are more concerned about your lost opportunity to have a grandchild that you are about her own loss, & the no doubt complicated feelings she has about it.
I am not for one moment suggesting that you are - please be assured of that!
But in the depths of her own turmoil, that would be a very easy misinterpretation for DD to make, & neither of you need that kind of wedge driven between you, especially right now.

Deep breaths OP. You can do this. Your DD needs you to be compassionate but upbeat - not to hear anything about how you believe she is making the wrong decision. Because she isn't - she is making the right choice for herself, right now, & you need to respect it or you will risk losing her confidence in you.

TwoPointFourCatsAndDogs · 30/01/2023 15:37

Having walked away from several very emotional and tough years of fertility clinics and 3 failed rounds of IVF, I now have 2 DC’s, naturally, and with same DH. Our consultant told us, when we found out we were pregnant, that there is a mental switch that science just doesn’t understand and they very often see natural pregnancies once folk have walked away, de-stressed and reconciled themselves to a life without children. May be this is where they are. They’re still young enough to try IVF in the years to come. If you really want to help, start saving for that potential day because it’s a postcode lottery and not necessarily successful.

dontknowwhatisbest · 30/01/2023 15:38

Do you think that your DD's husband is driving this decision, and that perhaps it isn't what your DD really wants? If so I can understand your worry, although I don't think there is much you can do other than be supportive and non-judgemental, in the hope that she will be able to open up to you in time.

But it might be that your DD and her DH really are on the same page, in which case you need to trust her to make the decision that is right for her. I do understand though, of course you want your DD to achieve what she truly wants from her life, you're her mum!

Slowingdownagain · 30/01/2023 15:39

Don't do anything, it will back fire. Espeically not now. Give her some time to come to terms with what's happened and what she wants. It is not your place to push her in any direction right now.

Swiftswatch · 30/01/2023 15:40

I can’t help but feel that it’s a decision to protect herself from the stress/potential disappointment of IVF, as I know she can bury her head in the sand and avoid tough situations.
Even if it is it’s still a valid point of view. IVF is a different process physically and mentally, and it isn’t a guarantee that it will work. Not everyone wants to put themselves through that on a gamble.

Beseen22 · 30/01/2023 15:41

You know i think she's pretty brave. My entire 20s have been made fairly miserable by a decade of TTC. She's had a full 3 years of her life in complete limbo, unsure of what holidays to book, whether to change job in case it ruined maternity entitlement. Then add in feeling like a failure all that time. The frustration of no diagnosis that comes with an easy fix. My DH and I made the decision to not go on the list for IVF and I quit my job and went back to study, took care of myself and lost weight and didn't even think about it. Thankfully in the end we were successful but when trying for more after a miscarriage last year I would love your DDs courage to say no its not actually worth all this, I wish I could do that and never ever TTC again.

Moanycowbag · 30/01/2023 15:42

WinterFoxes · 30/01/2023 15:22

Honestly, with unexplained infertility, I think chilling and getting a dog might be the best way forward. They might still conceive. i have several friends who did once they stopped fretting about it.

They are still young and have time to go down the IVF/ICSII route later if need be.. I had my first DS at 39! Just support them. people who have to make tough decisions desperately need people on hand just to listen and trust them.

They also might not conceive, and there is nothing wrong with that, but also you are possibly giving the op false hope to cling onto!

OP I always thought I would have 2 or 3 children but after several years trying and nothing happening, my husband and I decided that it was not destined to be, I did look a little into IVF but it looked so intrusive and all consuming with no guarantees, so we got a dog too, and have lived a contented child free life, I am almost 50 and have never regretted my decision, sometimes a small doubt would creep in but would quickly be replaced by something else, I wouldn't have been upset if my Mum. questioned me about my choices as a lot of thought and tears went into it.

Tinkerbyebye · 30/01/2023 15:43

Lilliansway · 30/01/2023 14:51

I am hearing your feedback, but I wish to clarify this isn’t about me at all. Of course I would love to have a grandchild but I put DD’s wants and needs far above my own. My only concern is that I don’t want her to live with regret. I regret only having one child myself, so I’m certain I’d have bitterly regretted not having any children had I have chosen that.

@Lilliansway

i wasn’t going to say anything until I saw this. You can’t foist your regrets on your daughter

she may well have closely looked at IVF and all that entails, and believe me it’s a hard slog, costly (financially and mentally) with no guarantee at the end of success, and they may well have decided that it’s not for them.

you have to accept her decision and leave it at that, you don’t say anything more it’s as simple as that

FrownedUpon · 30/01/2023 15:43

Absolutely none of your business. Is this actually your disappointment that you’ll never be a grandparent?

IVFbeenverylucky · 30/01/2023 15:43

They are both turning 30 this year, so they don’t have time on their side either
This made me laugh. I'm 41 and pregnant. Even Jane Austen novels have people in their 30s "with child".
They have loads of time, to try IVF, surrogacy, adoption, fostering, lots of dogs and cats and rabbits.....

housemaus · 30/01/2023 15:43

I can’t help but feel that it’s a decision to protect herself from the stress/potential disappointment of IVF

Aside from the fact she may just have changed her mind, why is this wrong? It's a perfectly reasonable thing to think, something I thought would be easy would be very difficult, expensive, and emotionally wearing, and I'd rather not go through that despite the potential advantage of doing so.

Wanting something when you're a teenager is very different to looking at it with adult experience and insight. She may have decided that, on balance, she likes her life as it is - she may have decided that the potential stress and upheaval of trying to conceive doesn't feel worth trying. That's a brave, adult decision to make, and the consequences of that are hers to bear alone. It's not your job to tell her she's wrong.

Cherrysoup · 30/01/2023 15:45

Absolutely nothing to do with you. I decided against dc from the start and my dm was forever on abut it to the point of me telling her quite brutally that it was none of her damned business. You can be there for her and handhold if she later gets upset about it, but for now, just smile and nod.

LifeExperience · 30/01/2023 15:45

I'm the mother of adult children also. You need to understand, to the core of your being, that your daughter is an autonomous human being with the absolute right to make her own decisions. Your regret has nothing to do with her, and you have no right to put it on her. Keep your opinions to yourself.

The quickest way for a mother to ruin her relationship with her adult child is to put her regrets, fears, etc. onto that child. You've had your life and made your decisions. It's her turn, now.

Mellymoon · 30/01/2023 15:46

Let her think on it for as long as she needs. She does have time but also she needs to know she can be happy without kids and you coming in there trying to convince her otherwise is going to send her the opposite message. You never know maybe now the stress is off her she might conceive anyway as this is often the way. just Be proud at her bravery and the way she’s adapted.
now that the idea of kids is gone in her head she will probably pour herself more
into the other areas of her life and could end up very happy and fulfilled in the future.

Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 30/01/2023 15:50

I’m on the “just leave well alone” band wagon.at their age your DD and her DH are well mature enough to weigh up and make their own decisions.

thing is your DD isn’t choosing between having children and not having children. She’s choosing between making a conscious choice to not continue fertility treatments and focus on other aspects of life or continuing what might ultimately be unsuccessful fertility treatment. Of course there is a chance she would’ve successful but maybe she decided she doesn’t want the pain/risks etc that comes with continuing treatment.

highdrylowerwetter · 30/01/2023 15:50

That's an awful thing to say she doesn't have time on her side as she's nearly 30!

Rockingcloggs · 30/01/2023 15:50

You really, really need to mind your own business. I have got a son through IVF. I had to pay thousands and thousands of pounds, forfeiting anything pleasurable in life to be able to fund the six cycles we had because the postcode lottery of IVF deemed it that my local area didn't fund it on the NHS. Now, that decision was our decision and no one else's. Do you want to fund all that treatment? Are you offering to pay for it all if she needs more than her allocated number of cycles? Are you going to pay for all the drugs and heaven forbid the immune therapy if it turns out she needs that too?

For me, I would have carried on paying and losing out on 'normal life' but I absolutely understand women who chose not to and you have absolutely no idea how tough it would be on her. That's not burying her head in the sand, it's knowing what's best for her. You do not.

MiserableOldHag · 30/01/2023 15:51

Doesn’t have time on her side at 29!?

Bog off 😂

ttcat37 · 30/01/2023 15:52

What? She’s not even 30 and you’re telling her that time isn’t on her side? That’s outrageous of you. It’s none of your business. Keep your nose out and stop projecting. She’s got 10 years to change her mind.

Blossomtoes · 30/01/2023 15:52

highdrylowerwetter · 30/01/2023 15:50

That's an awful thing to say she doesn't have time on her side as she's nearly 30!

It’s not so much awful as a bit silly. I wonder if OP has been pressuring her and this is an oblique way of telling her to butt out.

ladycarlotta · 30/01/2023 15:54

It's actually incredibly hard to get off that TTC bus because you always think this might be the month it works, it's a bit like gambling in that respect. If she's saying she's done, then she's really done. Three years of TTC is emotionally gruelling on its own and I simply cannot blame her for wanting to step away from the whole process, let alone not feeling inclined to sign herself up for lots of medication, appointments, invasive procedures etc. Plus the COST!

This must all have been incredibly painful for her and you sticking your oar in and urging her to keep trying is not going to make things better. Maybe sometime in the future she'll feel like she wants to try again or have a go at IVF, but she actually does have time to make that choice, if one day it's the right one for her.

Imisscoffee2021 · 30/01/2023 15:54

@Lilliansway Your daughter and her partners decision will have been difficult to make, and may be what's best for their mental health in the long run. Unexplained infertility is hugely frustrating and IVF isn't for everyone, it's a daunting process that isn't guaranteed.

It may be that they made the decision to simply be able to move on with their lives and stop making each day about TTC, no more disappointing blank tests, no more life style changes, invasive procedures etc. They may have decided to be happy. TTC with infertility is such an unhappy time, life is all about that baby that never comes. I say this as someone lregnant from IVF , TTC was so much harder than IVF for me as I felt I couldn't enjoy anything during those long fruitless months, the monthly disappointment took the joy out of so many things.

Hope you can support her and not push this subject.

LimeTwists · 30/01/2023 15:55

You absolutely must not raise this with them or even subtly allude to it again. If they want to talk about this entirely private and personal thing that affects their fertility with you, then they will. If they don’t, then it is unacceptable for you to force them to with what you think is well-meaning encouragement / help.

freyamay74 · 30/01/2023 15:56

What you've already done is awful, telling a woman who isn't even yet 30 that time isn't on her side. Just butt out before you do lasting damage to your relationship with her. Maybe she and her dh will be child-free. Maybe they'll decide to pursue IVF at some point. Maybe they'll conceive naturally. All are perfectly valid choices. Their choices.

CleaningOutMyCloset · 30/01/2023 15:56

Talk to her if she wants to discuss it with someone but don't put across your opinions. It's her decision, not yours

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