Why do people keep voting the tortes in again and again

[Thomasina79]

Not wanting an argument, just wondering. Another Tory has been dismissed for dishonesty and day after day we hear of stories about people having to choose between heating and eating. Surely people realise we need a change of government? The NHS and other support services such as teachers are on strike. What next?

If only

This - and also the internet is increasingly used as a news and opinion medium so surely the left should use the opportunities that the internet provides to offer popular sites.
Elvira would you rather the right wing papers didn’t exist?

I think some people prefer being lied to, to hearing reality

They definitely do. Just look at the posters here who defend Brexit and the Tories, even though they have weakened and destabilised the UK.🤦‍♀️ But reality is shouting loud and it will get louder before the next GE. All this stuff about potential swing voters will be moot because its only going one way and that's away from the Tories.

Please show me where I’ve insulted any voter. It’s a shame you seem unable to have a political discussion without getting personal.

@Blossomtoes where you said “ I’m happy to listen to anything worth listening to. Sadly there isn’t much of it on this thread.”

Which is true. Now go and hassle someone else.

Oh dear, haha! You did ask me…night night

I agree.

The pool of people who still believe in fantasy Brexit and fantasy economics is ever shrinking. Most people by now have realised they have been repeatedly lied to.

The more powerful Tories are jockeying to get one of the 12-30 seats they think they'll still hold after the next election. Less powerful Tories are quitting politics now, because they know they'll be out at the next GE.

The Tories/Brexiteers still lying to their supporters must think said supporters are thick as two short planks to still be falling for the same old lies.

Trussenomics, partygate 1-15, covid fraud, dodgy ppe contracts, test and trace failure, the Elizabeth line scandal, HS2 disaster, dodgy peerages, tax avoidance and non-dom scandals, brexit implementation & massive lost tax revenue, national debt rising by £1,400,000,000,000 to record levels, value of GBP down c.15% v EUR and USD, free school meals scandal, crippled NHS, crippled education, collapsing rail services, 21,000 fewer police officers, 20,000 fewer prison officers, 10,000 fewer firefighters, 36,000 teachers left the profession, rise of zero-hour contracts, 50% increase in hate crime, 150% increase in knife crime, record levels of household debt, 70% increase in teenage suicide, food bank use up 2,400%, homelessness up 1000%, bedroom tax, record high numbers of evictions, student fees up 300%, 25% cut to all public service funding, 25% cut to local council funding, 50% of councils facing bankruptcy, 25% cut to disability benefits,185,000 extra austerity deaths, 90% decrease in new social housing, 0 starter homes built despite flagship pledge to do so, strikes left, right and centre, etc.

Your concerns about the SNP kinda pale in comparison don't you think? You fix the hole in the hull before worrying about a dripping tap.

Yes God it’s a shitshow! Although I’m sure I could think of a lot more things on SNP to be honest!!! I’ll probably tactically vote Labour anyway to get rid if SNP as I’ve a sitting SNP MP and Labour will probably be number 2. Hopefully they’ll have sorted out the misogyny in the ranks before the next GE.

And actually quite a lot of that list is devolved so your analogy isn’t quite right. A bit more than a dripping tap.

Not really, the tories hold the purse stings and the fiscal power to change things. You can argue about whether the SNP are any good at implementing policies but two things are indisputable 1) they're better than the tories and 2) for the past 12 years the SNP have been shielding us from the worst of tory austerity as best they can (I appreciate best is subjective here).

I don't think anything would change for the better up here with a labour government either as Kier has made it quite clear Labour are an England first party, so until something changes I think we'll be stuck with the SNP for a while.

@Thebestwaytoscareatory

Sorry but I do dispute both your points 1 and 2.

This is the issue (1) too - Labour is not better than the Tories. Until Labour convinces people otherwise it will be harder for it to win the power it last won back in 2005. However Labour has a good chance. There is always the swing of the pendulum on voting and I am certainly not saying we Tories are likely to get in - every vote counts - we are not in a complacent position here.
24 Jan 2025 is the last date for an election - just under 2 years and might well be in 2024. It has been a torrid time with Brexit, (I am one of the many Tory remainers by the way - Labour and Tories were each split down the middle on Brexit ), the pandemic and the dreadful lockdown measures and wasteful furlough costs I did not support and now war in Ukraine/inflation etc.

We also have eight million mor people in the UK since 2001 and I doubt we have 8m more homes so the 8m extra people are not in all ways an advantage. We remain a very popular country with over 500,000 a year net legal migration, never mind unlawful migration).

You maybe want to take a look at the number of trans people in English prisons… And they are all there under the current UK legislation.

Why are people so easily fooled?

30 Jan 2023

Starmer isn’t working for women

Conservative ministers, whether from principle, self-interest or a combination of the two, are running rings around Labour when it comes to protecting women. Starmer has yet to say what he means by promising to “modernise” the 2004 Gender Recognition Act, which already allows transgender people to acquire a new birth certificate wrongly stating they were born in their “acquired” sex. He failed to intervene 10 days ago when Duffield and a Conservative MP, Miriam Cates, were shouted down by two Labour MPs as they spoke in support of the UK government blocking Holyrood’s Gender Recognition Reform bill. Even after Duffield wrote about the experience, all Starmer did was repeat earlier calls for “respect and tolerance” in “all those debates”...

The painful truth is that Labour, under Starmer’s leadership, has become a hotbed of misogyny. A current of nastiness has existed in the party since 2015; and while he has addressed one manifestation, antisemitism, he has allowed another to flourish. If women like me, lifelong Labour supporters, are to trust the party again, it will take more than a change of tone. What we need is a proper, serious apology — and an assurance that woman-hating will no longer be tolerated in a party that used to stand for equality and women’s rights.

Joan Smith is a novelist and columnist. She has been Chair of the Mayor of London's Violence Against Women and Girls Board since 2013.

unherd.com/2023/01/starmer-isnt-working-for-women/

"On current polling, Labour will be strolling into Downing Street at the next election; the only question, at this stage, is how big their majority will be."

savanta.com/knowledge-centre/view/a-ton-of-troubles-how-has-sunak-fared-in-his-first-100-days/

Mr Starmer still doesn't know what a woman is.

On current polling

What will the polling be in January 2025 though?

He doesn’t need to. This shows voters’ priorities.

yougov.co.uk/topics/education/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-country

What will the polling be in January 2025 though?

Who cares? We’ll be the other side of the next election by then.

Bloody hell. I can't imagine that voters are such masochists as to vote them again. It's mind boggling. Unless the Russians help again, and surely not?

As an Eye subscriber since the 80s I feel this publication probably doesn't suit you - why are you reading it? I don't read the Daily Mail because it's a hate rag full of lies.

Brexit only gets worse from here, which means the economy only gets worse from here.

The Retained EU Law Bill is going to cause chaos, and there's plenty of time for the ERG to demand even more stupid things as a condition if their support.

There's plenty more Sleaze and corruption to come out yet.

Energy bills are going up again

The NHS is going down the pan.

The criminal justice system is on its knees.

Local elections soon.

And all the Conservatives seem to have is the culture wars, and most people have bigger fish to fry.

Like how to find hundreds extra a month to pay the mortgage/energy bill/food bill because our government can't be trusted with the economy.

Anyone worried about immigration needs to take it up with the party in charge of it for the last 13 years and the party who sold you the pup that is Brexit, which caused it to sky rocket as soon as the Brexit transition period ended.

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