Why do people keep voting the tortes in again and again

[Thomasina79]

Not wanting an argument, just wondering. Another Tory has been dismissed for dishonesty and day after day we hear of stories about people having to choose between heating and eating. Surely people realise we need a change of government? The NHS and other support services such as teachers are on strike. What next?

Labour should be very wary of this attitude - pervious elections have been lost because Labour voters thought it in the bag and didn't turn out to vote.

thecritic.co.uk/how-labour-lost-the-unlosable-election/

I think the Tory are in a much worse position than then - much worse but if Labour can't get their vote out they may not get in and I'm not sure how Scottish Labour is getting on so they may not be able to count on those seats.

It's only one constituency obviously, but in West Lancashire the Tory vote is down by only slightly more than the Labour vote is up. Green also up. In fact everyone up except the Tories and Lib Dems.

I am only one person though @GloomyDarkness, and I always vote.

I'll be voting tactically this time in my historically very safe Conservative seat. Whoever the polls think can beat our Conservative MP gets my vote.

You know the game’s up when the Monster Raving Loony Party’s projected vote share is up.

I am only one person though @GloomyDarkness, and I always vote.

I always vote but Labour have had this view point in media and in people's mind before and it's had real world impact.

Tory's are one of the world oldest political parties they look weak now but consigning them to the history books seems premature.

I seem to be in a very small majority Labour seat - but only rival is conservative that leaves me in quiet the quandary and may well come down to local candidates.

I managed to make myself vote labour in the last GA but it was hard

the tories are a corrupt mess who are destroying the country and it’s institutions

but labour seem to care more about scrapping private schools and their women’s rights standpoint is awful. They also had that little antisemitism problem a few years ago

why can’t they focus on not being corrupt and fixing the public services. I’m going to vote for them becuase the tories are the shittier choice but both are crap

Whether you like them or not, Liz Truss and Jeremy Corbyn both represent some political convictions shared by large numbers of their party grassroots and core vote that sit further out from a compliant globalist/corporatist centre ground than their replacements.

People need to start questioning how and why BOTH of them were extensively undermined as leaders of their parties both overseas and domestically, and not vote for those parties until they are replaced or reformed accordingly.

@GloomyDarkness , I vote for the candidate who I think will be best for the constituency. I don't think I could vote for the blue one, and the red one is ok.

If I lived in a neighbouring constituency, I'd struggle, because if the sitting MP was a good one but I didn't like the party, would I vote for the best party or the best candidate?

because if the sitting MP was a good one but I didn't like the party, would I vote for the best party or the best candidate?

There was a very strong local Tory candidate last time but he may not stand again - and the current Labour MP who is useless.

However with Boris leading the Conservatives I couldn't vote conservative and did not like both local MP and Labour leadership - so voted for a third party - there were a very long way third place and only other party not to lose deposit.

The local Labour MP just scrapped in again - so we've had a useless MP last few years.

I'm not keen on Labour or conservatives leadership or direction of parties for different reasons and third party here stands no realistic chance. So oddly for one of the few times in my life it feels like my vote could actually matter and it feels a very poor choice.

@GloomyDarkness , I'm in a 'safe seat' constituency. I hadn't considered that a tory vote would have been a vote for Johnson. That might have affected my opinion, because I couldn't have voted for him. I didn't think I was voting for Corbyn, as I didn't think he would win.

We had a very good MP for a long time, but the current MP is not as good.

No one should think it is in the bag, although if Labour those that might help us Tories as Labour voters might stay at home thinking it is a done deal. I hope every Tory voter will get out there in under 2 years' time and vote. However someone suggesting Tories are far right is wrong. This Tory part is in power because they are high spending and high tax Tories (not my choice of Tories but better than Labour). However is in the middle like that tends to get elected as did Tony Blair when he stole the Tories clothes as it were - was that the expression we were taught at school in history that one party took the polices of the other and they called it clothes stealing in the 1800s? Probably Gladstone or Disraeli...looked it up- it was Disraeli in the 1860s "stealing the Liberals' clothes " www.historyextra.com/period/victorian/my-history-hero-benjamin-disraeli-1804-81/.

Why? Because I don't want the unions running the country and female rights and spaces eroded, not to mention soft on crime and all the woke tripe.

Labour voters might stay at home thinking it is a done deal.

In your dreams @Xenia. Nobody who wants a Labour government will stay at home. I’d crawl through treacle to get to the polling station. Particularly since the MP in this erstwhile very safe Tory seat is seeing his majority shrink in every election. He’s just been taken to an employment tribunal for the second time for his wife’s mistreatment of domestic staff. Even here in Tory heartland that’s resonated. And he’s a useless constituency MP to boot.

I associate Conservatives with "woke" I don't really know what it is but they're the ones banging on about it all the time.

In your dreams @Xenia. Nobody who wants a Labour government will stay at home. I’d crawl through treacle to get to the polling station.

Good news, I'll be doing the same to avoid a Labour government. Not that I think the Tories are that great, nor do I think they'll win.

I agree with Xenia that there's plenty of core Conservative supporters who might want a lower taxation, less centrist party. I'm no fan of Truss but she might have just have succeeded on that front had the unfunded tax cuts not been a poor judgement on her part.

I think the crux of it is this:

If you as a political party are determined to deny reality, then as time goes by you are going to lose support as reality dawns on your supporters.

There is too much cognitive dissonance between the "cheaper food/clothes/energy, extra money to improve the NHS" sunlit uplands they were promised and the "everything's worse" reality we live in.

There just aren't enough extremists in our society to re-elect extremists once the consequences of their extremism is known.

Most people want what's best for our people and our country not just "I want what I want and hang the consequences"

And Brexit, and Tory government is all consequences.

@Notaflippinclue 100% agree and so will the silent majority who never fill in these twitter polls. And once again it will cause jaws to drop by the left when the result is announced as they dont realise how much it matters.

That and there's nothing "Conservative" about the Tory Party any more.

They waste billions on just not doing their job properly (£4billion in unnecessary extra interest when Sunak was Chancellor and £2 billion for not controlling our borders properly and allowing fraudulently declared imports in)

And they get the country into unimaginable debt by introducing profit into public services in order to funnel public money to their mates.

And they won't tax Amazon, or energy companies making billions in record profits off our own people.

When Labour take over they will have one hell of a hole to dig us out of.

They’re not “Twitter polls”. They use property weighted samples and scientific methodology. The jaws dropping in 1997 weren’t on “the left”.

The Tories have fucked so many of their core voters over. Farmers, small business owners, unionists, mortgage holders, people opposed to immigration, low tax proponents and older voters.

The few who have been insulated from the damage have the next two years for it to sink in.

And they won't tax Amazon, or energy companies making billions in record profits off our own people.

Verdant I agree but does Amazon pay proper tax anywhere in the world? How do you think the government should make them pay?

Starmer needs to lay down a hard line with his MPs and the party in general. "This is how it is, if you like it, fine, if you don't like it, click, you're gone, now, as in right this second, no discussion, no "meetings" or discussion, you are no longer part of or affiliated with the Labour party". The Labour party needs to distance it from all the extremists and minority issue nutcases as these will be the people who the Tories and the right-wing press will use to demonise the Labour party in the run-up to an election. Get them out of there and let them form their own minority parties. They are a statistical irrelevance.

People like Lee Anderson @Florenz?🙈

MRP poll in the Telegraph.

Tories to keep 45 mostly heavily gerrymandered seats like Jeremy Hunt's

SNP to be the official party of opposition.

Labour to have a majority of over 300.

They pay US corporate (Federal) taxes because the US government doesn't allow them to pretend all their profits occur in another country. They do get a lot of tax breaks - but they pay some unlike here when they pretend they don't make any money in the UK - which is obviously just tax dodging.