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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

DHs "posh" sister

172 replies

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 21:26

I know IABU but not sure what to do about it.

DHs family are mostly very nice. I get on exceptionally well with many of them. They're all much more middle class than me but that's fine, we all laugh about it (in both directions IYSWIM) and they generally like me as I do them.

DHs sister has always had a taste for properly posh things. All her friends have always been very grand, moneyed artisan types (think Hugh Fearnly whatsit and his ilk). Fine. She's nice and we have some stuff in common and get along well when we see each other.

She's fairly recently married a full on aristocrat. They're not famous but you'd know the name if I mentioned it (won't, obvs). They now live in a "Hall" (basically a small stately home) with furniture and art and wine dotted about that i couldt afford with 10 years salary. He's also a massive arsehole.

Whenever we're invited to stay with them (they live quite far away) it's always pitched as some kind of treat. Like we get to go and soak up their lovely life for a while. The first time we went I was up for it (because I'm nosey, if I'm honest, and who wouldn't like a real look at how the other half live?) But a year or so in and I find it all quite cold, sad, and awkward. Her husband isn't very nice to her and doesn't have any interest in her life or her family. She works full time and does everything around the (enourmous) house while he sits in his study writing his correspondence and waiting for tea on a tray. She is quite miserable, although has only really been honest about this once or twice and the rest of the time keeps up appearances. It's all just a bit, icky.

There's a general family tone of her being very impressive (she is but not because of who she married / their money), and having done very well for herself, and doesn't she work hard (she does, but needn't). She too can be a little hauty and condescending at times, if she's feeling below par or defensive. I think she lacks genuine confidence, despite being incredibly capable and seeming to have confidence in spades.

It all just makes me feel a bit rank tbh. I feel like her family (including me) should be shouting "get out, he treats you like shit!" but instead they're all quite deferential and keep shtum. I can't abide the fakery of it all when I'm expected to be impressed and grateful. I've stopped wanting to hang out with her or go and stay because it's all so weird.

What am I missing? How do I get rid of this chip on my shoulder? And what strategies would you put in place to deal with staying there (and having to say "Oh, it's beautiful!" at the huge, priceless-collectable-adorned but freezing and untouchable bedroom you're presented with, or listen to her husband drone on about his latest acquisitions while she works herself ragged to cook an impressive meal but refuses any help etc)?

AIBU to think this is a weird way to live? To want her to be happier? Or am I just a chippy scrubber? I've got myself in a tangle over it and don't know what to do.

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georgarina · 28/01/2023 21:30

What does your DH think? Does he see what you mean/is he concerned about his sister? Can you invite her for a coffee/chat every now and then if you live close enough? Is the main issue that you worry she's unhappy in her relationship?

Exasperatednow · 28/01/2023 21:31

Yanbu to want her to be happier or to feel hiw you feel.

But yabu to think you can change it for her. If it's going to change she will have to come to the conclusion it doesn't work for her anymore. You can only be there for her if and when that happens.

In the meantime you don't actually have to stay there anymore.

jetadore · 28/01/2023 21:33

To trot out a mumsnet cliche, you sound very over-invested in her life, to the point of almost reveling in her misery? Your concern for her seems a bit insincere, though well done for being self aware about the ‘chip’ on your shoulder. For her part sounds like she’s married for the wrong reasons, wanting to appear posh and it’s backfired? Either way it’s her life, I’d advise you leave her to it and be there to support when she finally wakes up and divorces the prick. Step back, stop visiting. Sounds like your husband doesn’t like her so any involvement on your part will be coloured by their sibling dynamic.

SavoirFlair · 28/01/2023 21:34

How do I get rid of this chip on my shoulder?

by doing it. By disassociating her OH’s “coldness” with his class or status

And focusing on the real problems:

• How can you help your sister in law to see something she doesn’t want to see?

• Would you have this reaction if he was working class or your class? (I don’t do class but just going along with your premise)

• Is your reaction to his “coldness” actually about your perception of their status and you’ve tangled everything up as you suggest?

Roundabout78 · 28/01/2023 21:34

I don’t think you sound like you’re revelling, I actually think you sound good humoured, down to earth and lovely. And that you genuinely care for your sister in law.
sorry I can’t offer any real advice, just wanted to say I get it and would probably feel the same.

PermanentlyinUAT · 28/01/2023 21:37

If she had married a middle class man and lived in a 4 bed semi rather than an aristo in a stately home, and her marriage was in the same state as her current marriage, what do you think her family would be advising her to do at this point?

Floraanddougal · 28/01/2023 21:37

Are you jealous or do you Just not like her? Your,post reads like inverted snobbery, but I’m sure it’s not as idiotic as that’s? Are you maybe very worried for her marriage. And not portraying yourself well.?

1ittlegreen · 28/01/2023 21:37

I would be truthful and next time you're invited say its too cold.

ShiverOfSharks · 28/01/2023 21:37

What do you want to happen here, tho? The only person who can change your SIL's life is your SIL. She's not being held at gunpoint; she's an adult and she's made choices. She would not be the first person to choose an unhappy but well-monied marital situation over less well-remunerated singledom.

By all means don't go and stay in the freezing stately pile any more but although I'm sure you genuinely want the best for your SIL, it doesn't sound like the two of you are tight enough for you to be her support here.

underneaththeash · 28/01/2023 21:37

Maybe the status makes her happy. Do you invite her back?

We have the opposite issue, we have a nice house, invite Dh's relatives around and they don't invite us back and then go hankering after an invite back.

We know that they don't have a massive place, but neither did we until a few years ago, but they have enough space to invite us over for a meal.

LolaSmiles · 28/01/2023 21:38

It sounds like some of her family, including her, are a bit money -struck and she's got the message that to be successful she has to have the right sort of husband and everyone is so proud of her for marrying up.

She mustn't enjoy her husband treating her like rubbish, so you might be right about low self esteem, or she values the trappings of that world enough to put up with a husband like that.

Could you invite her to do something away from the house and see if you can get to know her better? It might give her an outlet and help her know she's valuable as person herself, not just through her marriage.

VladmirsPoutine · 28/01/2023 21:38

You've got your answer here in your post:

I've stopped wanting to hang out with her or go and stay because it's all so weird.

The answer is stop engaging and get on with your own life.

jtaeapa · 28/01/2023 21:39

Just forget about her? If dh wants to go and see her, then he can go without you.

Gingernuttie · 28/01/2023 21:39

Well the surroundings are irrelevant aren't they. Your sil is married to a nasty man. Be there for her. Overlook her occasional haughtiness as it sounds like you basically get on well.
Discuss with your husband how he/you can help her see a better path (marriage counselling/divorce or whatever) if appropriate.
When it comes to being forced to fawn over their ugly house, just treat it like you would any house where you dislike the decor. Make a minimal non-committal comment and change the subject.

Merlott · 28/01/2023 21:40

Just don't stay there anymore 🤷‍♀️

Is the world going to end if you never go again? Will DH divorce you? He can go by himself if he really wants. Give you a break to yourself!

Honestly life is short just don't go into negative situations and definitely don't say anything, it's NOYB and you'll be shot as the messenger. Just politely decline and do something else with your time.

ClassroomRunaway · 28/01/2023 21:41

Writing his correspondence? Like...on paper? Do they live in Georgian times?

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 21:41

Don't know where the idea that DH doesn't like his sister came from. He does.

DH agrees that she's miserable and it's weird, but that she's always been a bit like that and probably always will be. He manages to navigate it all like an interesting experience and not be hugely be bothered. He's not bothered by much tbh.

I probably am tangling up the class thing with it all. I am a bit chippy (hands up). Bit if SILs DH weren't posh, he would just be an arrogant, rude arsehole who behaves unacceptably in company and treats his wife like crap. Somehow him being massively posh seems to make this ok and "just one of those things". Baffles me.

I don't HAVE to go and stay there, but when you repeatedly turn down invites for whatever reason it starts to get noticed.

I really like DHs sister. I just wish she'd but her own happiness and wellbeing above how she thinks other people perceive her.

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PacificState · 28/01/2023 21:42

Leaving all the class/posh stuff out of it, you say he doesn't treat her very well, she works full time and also does all the housework, and when she makes a meal she refuses any help. (There may be a connection between those last two points?)

Have I missed anything?

You may not like the vibes, but it doesn't sound like a situation that merits your intervention unless there's more you're not saying.

But I think you're quite entitled to make up reasons why you can't visit more than the bare minimum (once or twice a year).

CantAskAnyoneElse · 28/01/2023 21:43

Is she actually unhappy, do you actually know what their lives are like?
Cause honestly, you write with such ofdd bias, and seem to have a chip on your shoulder that you try to hide with ’caring about’ your SIL.

Newnamenewname109870 · 28/01/2023 21:44

I think you know the answer and you can look back and say thank f* it’s not me. The grass isn’t always greener.

Can you be honest about this with your dh? I’d be nice to your sister in law and have chats when you can and check she’s ok. Be as honest and genuine as you can. Perfectly ok to say it’s not really your thing.

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 21:44

@PermanentlyinUAT I think they'd have told her he's a shit bag and to give him the old heave ho. That's what bugs me.

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MadameDe · 28/01/2023 21:45

Her family probably hate him too but realise that she will be defensive or that it might not make things easier for her, so don't say anything. Your heart's in the right place but they haven't been married long and this is something she needs to figure out.

cassiatwenty · 28/01/2023 21:46

TBH, it's none of your business. If you feel uneasy there, then don't. You call her haughty and condescending yet you also notice her struggling.

If you can just be there for here in a non-judgmental way, do it

If you honestly cannot support her like that because a little bit of envy gets in the way (no judgement, we're all human), then just mind your business rather than make things complicated. All good.

Stressedmum2017 · 28/01/2023 21:47

If you have to go I would just be super blunt about everything, dont hold back. Say to her, its bloody freezing I dont know how you cope without central heating, say in front of him, do you not make your own tea? Maybe if its actually voiced out loud by someone it will be a bit more real to her and all of you how ridiculous it all is instead of being an elephant in the room all the time.

jetadore · 28/01/2023 21:47

@BeatieBourke re dh not liking her in my rush to call you over invested I completely misread when you said “her husband isn’t very nice…” as “my husband…”