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AIBU?

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DHs "posh" sister

172 replies

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 21:26

I know IABU but not sure what to do about it.

DHs family are mostly very nice. I get on exceptionally well with many of them. They're all much more middle class than me but that's fine, we all laugh about it (in both directions IYSWIM) and they generally like me as I do them.

DHs sister has always had a taste for properly posh things. All her friends have always been very grand, moneyed artisan types (think Hugh Fearnly whatsit and his ilk). Fine. She's nice and we have some stuff in common and get along well when we see each other.

She's fairly recently married a full on aristocrat. They're not famous but you'd know the name if I mentioned it (won't, obvs). They now live in a "Hall" (basically a small stately home) with furniture and art and wine dotted about that i couldt afford with 10 years salary. He's also a massive arsehole.

Whenever we're invited to stay with them (they live quite far away) it's always pitched as some kind of treat. Like we get to go and soak up their lovely life for a while. The first time we went I was up for it (because I'm nosey, if I'm honest, and who wouldn't like a real look at how the other half live?) But a year or so in and I find it all quite cold, sad, and awkward. Her husband isn't very nice to her and doesn't have any interest in her life or her family. She works full time and does everything around the (enourmous) house while he sits in his study writing his correspondence and waiting for tea on a tray. She is quite miserable, although has only really been honest about this once or twice and the rest of the time keeps up appearances. It's all just a bit, icky.

There's a general family tone of her being very impressive (she is but not because of who she married / their money), and having done very well for herself, and doesn't she work hard (she does, but needn't). She too can be a little hauty and condescending at times, if she's feeling below par or defensive. I think she lacks genuine confidence, despite being incredibly capable and seeming to have confidence in spades.

It all just makes me feel a bit rank tbh. I feel like her family (including me) should be shouting "get out, he treats you like shit!" but instead they're all quite deferential and keep shtum. I can't abide the fakery of it all when I'm expected to be impressed and grateful. I've stopped wanting to hang out with her or go and stay because it's all so weird.

What am I missing? How do I get rid of this chip on my shoulder? And what strategies would you put in place to deal with staying there (and having to say "Oh, it's beautiful!" at the huge, priceless-collectable-adorned but freezing and untouchable bedroom you're presented with, or listen to her husband drone on about his latest acquisitions while she works herself ragged to cook an impressive meal but refuses any help etc)?

AIBU to think this is a weird way to live? To want her to be happier? Or am I just a chippy scrubber? I've got myself in a tangle over it and don't know what to do.

OP posts:
MysteryBelle · 29/01/2023 00:00

I think you’re too interested in her life. I think you care too much about status and who is who on the status ladder. Mind your own business.

Enjoy the time you spend with your husband’s family and with your own family and stop constantly thinking in terms of ‘poshness’ and trying to find chinks in sil’s armor, which is exactly what you’re doing. Your obsession of where everyone is supposedly situated in a status system is very off putting.

Sil’s husband sitting in his study writing and ‘waiting on a tea tray’, how monstrous according to you. Stay out of her business and her marriage. She is at least as capable as you are of assessing her life and relationships.

SpringtimeCherries · 29/01/2023 00:06

I voted YABU because the wealth is a red herring… your just suck it up because she is your SIL and your job is basically to help DH and his sister continue a relationship. Your own feelings take a bit of a back burner here, esp as there is no obvious awful behaviour to you.

My SIL is a horrible woman who targeted me in a bullying campaign. I’d be grateful to have had just a fairly normal SIL!

Debtknell · 29/01/2023 00:07

Honestly, OP, I think it’s deeply weird that you think her family would be drawing her aside, inviting her to express her unhappiness and suggesting she gave her DH the push if they lived in a 3-bed semi! I just don’t think most families stage interventions like this in unhappy marriages, regardless of finances and social class.

Also, perhaps the family are accepting that seems to be the case, that she married, at least in part, for his social position, estate etc — they accept that as part of the ‘credit’ side from her pov? Therefore it’s irrelevant to consider whether they’d urge her to leave him if he were an equally unpleasant bus driver who lived in a back to back — she simply wouldn’t have married him without the Hall etc.

Personally, I’d put up with a lot for a ha-ha…

TheBookThieves · 29/01/2023 00:09

I really like DHs sister. I just wish she'd but her own happiness and wellbeing above how she thinks other people perceive her

That's nothing to do with you though. It's up to her to change that.

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 29/01/2023 00:12

I dont understand why you are het up. They dont come and stay with you so why should you stay with them? Your SIL has only just married so you would probably assume that she is happy with her lot. But its really nothing to do with you anyway how her life is?

vera99 · 29/01/2023 00:23

I've met a few very rich folks in my life and yes they tend to be very up themselves. My take is if I get for free to enjoy the rich life however vicariously for a short time then I'm happy to massage their egos as it were as the price of admission. Good to get away in the end though back to the joys of a 'normal' life. I'd want good wine though none of this 19 Crimes rubbish. Sounds like she is happy in her misery so to speak and accepts the social cachet as part of the 'deal'.

ittakes2 · 29/01/2023 00:24

I think you need to be honest with yourself as to why you have a chip on your shoulder about her. It's bubbling away under the surface because you are avoiding saying it out loud. Ask yourself why.

justasking111 · 29/01/2023 00:32

You sound caring. BUT setting aside the money, status, you as a family have to bite your tongues and not interfere in their marriage as bad as you perceive it to be. Just be there for her if and when she needs it. It's really hard to do at times I know

Mysmallgarden · 29/01/2023 00:38

You are really coming across as quite jealous. Your sister-in-law lives in a grand house, and therefore think she must be unhappy. What if she's absolutely fine?

Delladon · 29/01/2023 00:46

This is sad, basically your values don't sit well with this type of lifestyle. It's alright having wealth and nice things but ultimately having experiences and enjoying your time on earth is more important. It sounds like you feel your sister in law is realising this for herself but may feel trapped by family expectations and a skewed vision of happiness (modern day marriage of convenience?)I think this is down to her to sort out in the long term to be honest but perhaps you would rather not spend time watching it happen. It's hard to see someone not happy and seemingly trapped. Are you able to offer her some girly time together when you visit to have a little fun and maybe guage how she's really feeling? You can't make assumptions about people's realities. If you ask how she is and genuinely listen she might realise that she can talk to you if she is deeply unhappy as someone she can be open and honest with.

SleepingStandingUp · 29/01/2023 00:46

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 21:59

I can't be arsed to engage with the accusations of reverse snobbery or whatever. No amount of me protesting will change that view.

I do focus on my own life, obviously. I ponder this often though, and it seemed like a good place to air it.

I've gone for the "be there for her, ignore him and the trappings, don't go more than you have to" tactic. It's fine.

I suppose what I really want is a proper relationship with her (we get on well, spend time together on our own, have similar jobs, I like her!) but this 'thing' is in the way. It feels like a big lie that we all skirt around. For Christmas we received a card that was a drawing of the house with them in the entrance FFS (which she drew).

So be Frank.

You know Esmeralda, I'm so lucky to have not just Bob but all his family too, I feel so glad that I consider you a friend as well as a SIL.. So what I masking is one friend to another. Are you happy with Tarquin because sometimes I feel like he doesn't treat you the way you deserve, and you don't seem as happy as you deserve, and I wanted you to know, that I'm here if you need me.

saraclara · 29/01/2023 00:47

Mysmallgarden · 29/01/2023 00:38

You are really coming across as quite jealous. Your sister-in-law lives in a grand house, and therefore think she must be unhappy. What if she's absolutely fine?

It's all there in the OP. This isn't guesswork on the OP's part.

Her husband isn't very nice to her and doesn't have any interest in her life or her family. She works full time and does everything around the (enourmous) house while he sits in his study writing his correspondence and waiting for tea on a tray. She is quite miserable, although has only really been honest about this once or twice

mackthepony · 29/01/2023 00:51

Sound a like a gilded cage situation

Carlycat · 29/01/2023 00:54

She's made her bed and the 'status' obviously suits her. Leave her to it

MysteryBelle · 29/01/2023 00:57

What’s wrong with her sending Christmas which is her drawing of their home?

You’re jealous as can be and masking it as ‘concern’. Standard manipulative tactic. Why are you trying to start trouble between sil and her new husband? And recruiting her family, claiming to us they agree with you that she’s miserable. I don’t believe you.

MysteryBelle · 29/01/2023 00:57

Christmas card. She drew it herself which is lovely. You didn’t like that. You said ‘FFS’. Very tacky response.

Peverellshire · 29/01/2023 01:06

Did he have a glamorous ex wife who died in a mysterious boating accident? DSIL’s not smashed an ornament & stuffed awkwardly in DH’s drawer in chilly morning room? :)

If so he’s pros a bit of an insufferable prig, NB: watch for mysterious housekeeper…(the best servants know how to remain invisible).

NB: Don’t take advice from above re: any society fancy dress balls…

vera99 · 29/01/2023 01:10

Ladies don't marry a royal unless they are prepared to leave... Disney lied...

Alcyone · 29/01/2023 01:14

You don't involve yourself in their relationship. It's only once a year, nod your head and smile when he rambles, it gets easier with practice - I done it for years for DH's sake.

diaryofadyslexic · 29/01/2023 01:16

I absolutely hate the word "posh" and won't let my kids use it.

It infers that someone or something is better than you and you are not worthy of it.

We are all equal. It's just that some of us have more money than others!

Motelschmotel · 29/01/2023 01:18

I agree with @Bunce1 and, after time, there’s more. This SIL has made choices to live her life this way. There comes a point when you start thinking less of someone for the choices they’ve made, when those choices are flagrantly lacking in personal integrity and self-respect, especially when they’re in the name of something as ephemeral and meaningless as ‘status’.

Corcory · 29/01/2023 01:27

What a terrible situation your Sil has got herself into. I wonder if her DH acts like this and choose to marry her because he could manipulate her and the rest of the family. He could lord it over them all and get your SIL to run around after him because he sees that she and her family think he is above them. Luckily for her you don't. I would go next time you are invited and try and get a chance to have a word with SIL, maybe put an arm round her shoulder and ask her if she's ok, because you don't feel as if she really is.

KettrickenSmiled · 29/01/2023 01:33

Sounds like your husband doesn’t like her

What did I miss from the OP that suggests this @jetadore ?

cassiatwenty · 29/01/2023 01:38

@MysteryBelle I agree. Why wouldn't she draw a Christmas card and send it herself?

Nobody's life is perfect. My life isn't perfect. Is she happy? Yes, sometimes, probably. Is she unhappy? Yes, sometimes, probably.

And what's wrong with wanting status and a nice house, anyway? At least she has goals OF HER OWN that don't involve meddling in someone else's lives and trying to find cracks in it.

Oooooooh, look where minding your business gets you, you actually accomplish your own goals without worrying what other people think.

jasminetea22 · 29/01/2023 01:39

My cousin’s husband is exactly like this. He’s a complete arsehole and an insufferable show-off. I don’t have any advice, OP, but I do think these people who think it’s a treat to stay with them need a massive wedgie. YANBU.