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AIBU?

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DHs "posh" sister

172 replies

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 21:26

I know IABU but not sure what to do about it.

DHs family are mostly very nice. I get on exceptionally well with many of them. They're all much more middle class than me but that's fine, we all laugh about it (in both directions IYSWIM) and they generally like me as I do them.

DHs sister has always had a taste for properly posh things. All her friends have always been very grand, moneyed artisan types (think Hugh Fearnly whatsit and his ilk). Fine. She's nice and we have some stuff in common and get along well when we see each other.

She's fairly recently married a full on aristocrat. They're not famous but you'd know the name if I mentioned it (won't, obvs). They now live in a "Hall" (basically a small stately home) with furniture and art and wine dotted about that i couldt afford with 10 years salary. He's also a massive arsehole.

Whenever we're invited to stay with them (they live quite far away) it's always pitched as some kind of treat. Like we get to go and soak up their lovely life for a while. The first time we went I was up for it (because I'm nosey, if I'm honest, and who wouldn't like a real look at how the other half live?) But a year or so in and I find it all quite cold, sad, and awkward. Her husband isn't very nice to her and doesn't have any interest in her life or her family. She works full time and does everything around the (enourmous) house while he sits in his study writing his correspondence and waiting for tea on a tray. She is quite miserable, although has only really been honest about this once or twice and the rest of the time keeps up appearances. It's all just a bit, icky.

There's a general family tone of her being very impressive (she is but not because of who she married / their money), and having done very well for herself, and doesn't she work hard (she does, but needn't). She too can be a little hauty and condescending at times, if she's feeling below par or defensive. I think she lacks genuine confidence, despite being incredibly capable and seeming to have confidence in spades.

It all just makes me feel a bit rank tbh. I feel like her family (including me) should be shouting "get out, he treats you like shit!" but instead they're all quite deferential and keep shtum. I can't abide the fakery of it all when I'm expected to be impressed and grateful. I've stopped wanting to hang out with her or go and stay because it's all so weird.

What am I missing? How do I get rid of this chip on my shoulder? And what strategies would you put in place to deal with staying there (and having to say "Oh, it's beautiful!" at the huge, priceless-collectable-adorned but freezing and untouchable bedroom you're presented with, or listen to her husband drone on about his latest acquisitions while she works herself ragged to cook an impressive meal but refuses any help etc)?

AIBU to think this is a weird way to live? To want her to be happier? Or am I just a chippy scrubber? I've got myself in a tangle over it and don't know what to do.

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Luredbyapomegranate · 28/01/2023 21:51

I think you hit the nail on the head when you say you’re in a tangle.

You are, as a PP says, quite over invested in her life. You’ve had your nosy round her house (and who wouldn’t), now just leave her to it, tell your husband you are fond of her but don’t like him and find the house cold, tense and depressing, so you won’t be making regular visits (you might have to suck up a bi-annual family weekend).

Be kind to her personally but disinterested in her life. I know enough to know those houses are a PITA to live in if you aren’t rolling in it (and if there is no help they aren’t). It sounds like she got caught up in her success narrative and went for the title and the house as the cherry on the top. She will probably come to her senses, get fed up with being a stately home maker and dump him, even if she chooses to solidify her social position by cranking out an heir first.

With the rest of the family the same applies - just because they’re impressed you don’t have to be. You can be jolly and disinterested, bitterness doesn’t need to come into it.

Focus on your own life and in building up whatever bits you want to improve so you don’t have to feel like this.

LadyRoughDiamond · 28/01/2023 21:52

How do I get rid of the chip on my shoulder? You don’t.

To be honest, it sounds like that chip is what made you see through the money and status to clock how miserable she is - everyone else has been dazzled by it all.

Just be there, watch, listen and help her if you think she needs it. By the sounds of things she’s going to need someone with their head screwed on in the next couple of years.

Pieceofpurplesky · 28/01/2023 21:53

Just let her know you are there for her and that you like her for her, not her status. When you go and stay help her out.

Etinoxaurus · 28/01/2023 21:55

Roundabout78 · 28/01/2023 21:34

I don’t think you sound like you’re revelling, I actually think you sound good humoured, down to earth and lovely. And that you genuinely care for your sister in law.
sorry I can’t offer any real advice, just wanted to say I get it and would probably feel the same.

Same. I’m not getting any schadenfreude, just concern. What does your DH say?

Luredbyapomegranate · 28/01/2023 21:57

I don't HAVE to go and stay there, but when you repeatedly turn down invites for whatever reason it starts to get noticed.

So? Your DH family will assume you aren’t into country house weekends. Plenty of people aren’t. just agree a line with your DH if they ask him.

Seriously now, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Catch yourself on.

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 21:59

I can't be arsed to engage with the accusations of reverse snobbery or whatever. No amount of me protesting will change that view.

I do focus on my own life, obviously. I ponder this often though, and it seemed like a good place to air it.

I've gone for the "be there for her, ignore him and the trappings, don't go more than you have to" tactic. It's fine.

I suppose what I really want is a proper relationship with her (we get on well, spend time together on our own, have similar jobs, I like her!) but this 'thing' is in the way. It feels like a big lie that we all skirt around. For Christmas we received a card that was a drawing of the house with them in the entrance FFS (which she drew).

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ComfortablyDazed · 28/01/2023 22:02

Where are her friends in all of this?

They're the ones she’s presumably close enough to talk to, offload on, and hear what she really thinks.

You’re her SIL and while you’re obviously friendly, you’re not genuinely friends. You’re not going to be the person she goes to.

Are they worried about her?

In terms of moving forward, as hard as it is,
I think you need to follow your husband’s lead. Detach.

You can’t do a thing about other people’s relationships. Not a thing.

Even if this was your daughter, you still would not be able to do a thing.

All you can do is be there if/when it falls apart (which it may not ever do).

Other people’s relationships are out of your hands.

I think if you can accept that you have no control over this at all, it might be easier to get to where you need to be: detached, until such point as things change, if they ever do change.

BeautifulWar · 28/01/2023 22:04

I don't think you have a chip on your shoulder at all, OP, I think you sound astute and are not taken in by 'grandeur'.

It's really sad that your SIL's family are so willfully blind to her unhappiness and the relationship she's in but people are often impressed by those they feel are superior to them (usually for all the wrong reasons) and easily blinded by prestige.

I think you need to avoid those visits as much as you can but maintain a relationship with SIL. Try and let her know that you're interested in her as a person as opposed to her status and possessions and be a safe port for her if and when she wants to walk away. Be polite about the 'stuff' without feigning over the top enthusiasm for it.

Itisbetter · 28/01/2023 22:05

Do you hav3 them to stay?

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 22:06

@ComfortablyDazed you're right. DH is brilliantly skilled at detaching himself from things he can't do anything about and is one of the most contented and peaceful people I've ever met.

@Etinoxaurus and @Roundabout78 ta 😊. I am those things, with an added dose of WHY DOES THIS BOTHER ME?! 🤦‍♀️

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LolaSmiles · 28/01/2023 22:07

I don't think you have a chip on your shoulder at all, OP, I think you sound astute and are not taken in by 'grandeur
Same here. I think the OP is very self-aware, self-aware enough to be worried about coming across like she has a chip on her shoulder, and genuinely seems to be concerned that her SIL and her SIL's family are willing to overlook rubbish husband behaviour because he has money.

There's not much the OP can do other than continue to be genuine when she does visit and let SIL figure it out on her own terms.

Justalittlebitduckling · 28/01/2023 22:10

I think it would be better to meet them for day trips at a neutral location if possible rather than always staying at their house.

If you’re creative, turn it into a novel. Maybe you’re interested in people because they fascinate you and you can’t quite work her out. I totally get that.

PacificState · 28/01/2023 22:11

FWIW I wasn't (or didn't mean to) accusing you of inverse snobbery or whatever - I was just trying to separate out the bits of your post that weren't to do with poshness.

My DP's family is quite posh and (although they're very nice) it's surprising how alienating some of the different habits and assumptions can be. I'm sure they think the same about me. Eg their houses are what I would call 'a total mess and barely hygienic' whereas they'd probably call mine 'sterile and bourgeois' 😂

If I'm feeling out of sorts with them it's useful sometimes to strip stuff down to the bare bones, where I usually conclude that we've all always fundamentally been good to each other.

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 22:11

@Itisbetter they've visited. We have a tiny old house with no spare room and when we have others to stay we either give up our bed (our favoured method) or they sleep on the living room floor.

SIL knows we'd love to have her here to stay with us and have dinner, a good chat and a few drinks. I've made this clear many times. She prefers to stay with other family near by who have more room (fair enough).

Her DH has been here once to visit us and other family members. Since then she's always come on her own.

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SchoolTripDrama · 28/01/2023 22:12

ClassroomRunaway · 28/01/2023 21:41

Writing his correspondence? Like...on paper? Do they live in Georgian times?

Since when was writing on paper 'Georgian?!' do you not have a postman or something!?

saraclara · 28/01/2023 22:14

If you like her and you think she's unhappy, why are you considering abandoning your visits to her? If she lived in a normal house, presumably you'd still visit her?

That's where the chippiness is unpleasant. I'm assuming if she didn't live in this posh house, it wouldn't occur to you to withdraw from the relationship. It seems a bit mean to potentially make her feel even less supported. Presumably she'd a bit hurt that you didn't come?

So yep, on the one side you like her, you're worried about her and you want to help. On the other side you're uncomfortable about the fact that she aristocracy aligned and so will see less of her.

I think you should put your prejudice aside and stick around. I suspect that you know that underneath.

Emmamoo89 · 28/01/2023 22:19

Yanbu x

Mirabai · 28/01/2023 22:21

I think all the class bollocks is a red herring. Who actually cares what size her house is. She’s got an arsehole of a husband and it’s rather uncomfortable and a bit sad and awkward and you’d rather not go. Presumably many of her friends feel the same.

blackbeardsballsack · 28/01/2023 22:21

Some posters accuse anyone of being jealous whatever their reasons for not liking someone. You don't sound over invested, your sister in law sounds unhappy and you just sound like a concerned sister in law. I would rather have you in my corner than her other family members who give more of a shit about her living in a hall rather than whether she is actually happy.

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 22:25

@Mirabai you're dead right. Accept, as I've said upthread, if she was in this position in a 3 bed semi someone would probably have taken her aside by now and said "why do you put up with lord whatsisface being such a twat?" But because he's who he is they don't. And there's an expectation we'll all be impressed by a pretty sorry situation. It's really sad.

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cassiatwenty · 28/01/2023 22:26

A lot of your posts are about her house, not about her as a person. It's her + house

If she lived in a flat, dodgy area of sorts, would you still be as envious/concerned?

Why or why not?

BeatieBourke · 28/01/2023 22:29

@cassiatwenty dunno what you're reading cassia. See my comment above yours?

FWIW (also see previous comment) DH and I can't afford a 3 bed semi so presumably I'd be equally 'envious' of that?

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Itisbetter · 28/01/2023 22:37

Does her dh like the rest of the family?

Mirabai · 28/01/2023 22:39

I don’t think that conversation would be any easier with fewer bedrooms and lower ceilings…

She’s trying to make the best of it, that’s what’s making people demur, and perhaps a sense of it being rude to assume she’s not ok, if she were more overtly unhappy there would be more of an opening.

SweetSakura · 28/01/2023 22:39

If you genuinely want to support her (and it sounds like you do and you added the details about the house etc because they are intrinsic to the dilemma)

Then invite her to do things without her DH? Maybe just you and her, or just your DH and her? (If it will otherwise be hard to stop them always doing things as a couple). When I was in an awful marriage it was the time away that helped me remember what I should feel like. And as he pushed my family away it felt harder and harder to leave him

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