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To have told DH life would be easier without him

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PourPatrol · 28/01/2023 10:20

DS (4) ran into the lounge with scissors

I was feeding the baby.

DH said "pourpatrol you need to get scissors off DS now"

I said "Urm you need to do it. Ive got the baby"

He said "you do it. You're some sort of DS whisperer. He never obeys me"

I snapped "bloody hell"

He went mad. "The way you talk to me is unacceptable blah blah." Then he said something about leaving me to it

I said, walking away with both kids, "to be honest sometimes I think it would all be easier without you"

That wasn't nice was it? He's now walking round the house muttering "easier without you" under his breath and randomly laughing or shaking his head. It's very weird and disconcerting

I was pretty horrible. Do I need to apologise. He just never does anything except tell me what to do.

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BurntOutGirl · 12/02/2023 21:02

PourPatrol · 12/02/2023 20:11

Yeah - he's shocked I'm not thankful he's back. He actually said "I can't fucking believe you. I didn't expect you to apologise cos you're too proud. But I thought you'd at least be relieved"

I said "you're still angry, still just kicking off and not listening or talking calmly"

He said he doesn't want to "fucking look at me a moment longer". He's playing video games now. So I've got myself a wine, got the dog on the sofa with me, and watching telly. I've got 3 emails to solicitors sent and just staying calm and cracking on. Made up the spare bed.

I don't think he'd ever hit me but I know he's got it in him to start breaking and throwing stuff around

If he does, phone the police and tell them that you're scared. Hopefully they'll remove him.

pointythings · 12/02/2023 21:06

OK, so that explains a lot about how you've got yourself into this, but right now there is no point in beating yourself up about it. What you have coming is a bloody awful vicious nasty divorce. It's going to be bad. You may need police involvement, you will probably need Women's Aid or Rights of Women to support you, so do not hesitate to seek support if things go tits up.

Once you are out on the other side, it's time for you to do the Freedom Programme to learn about your built in reasons for picking shitty men, then you spend a good few years being single and learning that you don't bloody need a man in your life. Then when you have peak self esteem and happiness, you can put yourself back out there for dating.

You can totally do this!

PourPatrol · 12/02/2023 21:38

Thank you @pointythings He's walking round the house this last hour with this horrible smirk on his face, almost laughing to himself out loud, like he knows something I don't. It's hard to imagine a future with him not on it - only cos i can't imagine him accepting it - but i know he has to accept it.

I can do it. I can. I just can't be in that situation where couples split and live together for months/years after - that will be even worse.

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Mumsanetta · 12/02/2023 21:46

Would you consider having very discrete hidden cameras in your house? He loves to play the family man and I’m sure he’s very convincing to outsiders looking in and catching him on camera might be very useful in disproving this in the future.

Lavender14 · 12/02/2023 21:54

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NewShoesRub · 12/02/2023 21:58

All the best @PourPatrol

I hope you can find a positive way forward whether that's as a 4 or a 3.

I absolutely agree with PPs who said parenting with a partner who isn't committed is harder as it creates more work for you. Ultimately you have to make sacrifices as a parent. If life has been cushy up until becoming a parent and it's the first time they've had to put someone else first it can be a shock for them. But jeez, four years in - buck up or ship out.

pointythings · 12/02/2023 21:59

@Lavender14 have you RTFT? Because we're waaaaaaay beyond that now.

OP's husband is also controlling in other ways. This is not salvageable and should not be salvaged.

Mumsanetta · 12/02/2023 21:59

@Lavender14 guessing you haven’t rtft

Lavender14 · 12/02/2023 22:02

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I just rtft - scrap all of that- you sound scared of him. Absolutely you are not being unreasonable- I'm sorry I should have read further!! You sound like you're doing a great job and he's a loose cannon. Can you get more support from your mum etc to build you up to doing things on your own if you need to? I'm going to ask for my earlier post to be deleted because it was so off topic.

pointythings · 12/02/2023 22:03

@Lavender14 thank you and well done

FlowerArranger · 12/02/2023 22:22

@PourPatrol- have you kept a diary of all the major incidents, or can you recollect roughly what happened and when, and write it down? Because you know he is going to portray himself as the reasonable family man, with you as the useless mother who is incapable of raising and 'disciplining 'his' children.

NB: it's good that you are planning to engage a solicitor. Can you collect all financial paperwork and draw up a precise summary of all assets, including cash, investments, salaries/P60s, pensions, mortgage, other debts if any. There's useful information on some family solicitors' websites, as well as Wikivorce and books such as Divorce for Dummies.

(Delete your internet history. If his tech savvy, you'll want to be extra careful - e.g. he might install tracking keystrokes software on your devices)

MamEmma · 13/02/2023 07:05

How are you feeling today, OP? I hope you can speak to the solicitor.

PourPatrol · 13/02/2023 08:37

Feeling pretty overwhelmed thank you @MamEmma . DH upstairs in spare bed still. DS running round shouting "daddy playing hide and seek". Slept very well but feel so tired. Trying to find that positive mindset from yesterday but his presence (even though he's asleep!) Makes everything feel so hard.

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MamEmma · 13/02/2023 09:21

How do you think he would react if you used what happened yesterday as a way into talking about a separation? Or is he one of those where your going to have to just go and not tell him until your away?

He sounds controlling even in little things like not letting you do online shopping and keeping you without enough food in the house. This can make you feel like your not strong enough to change things because your afraid or your so used to doing whatever it takes not to rock the boat. But you can do it, you can build a life for yourself and your DS so you can thrive.

pointythings · 13/02/2023 09:29

@MamEmma OP has said he is likely to kick off in terms of throwing and breaking stuff, which would be terrifying for the DC, so a quiet approach is going to be best here.

@PourPatrol I am sorry you are feeling overwhelmed with the stress of having him in the house. It's completely understandable. Just get things moving with the divorce at your own pace, in a way that maximises your and the DCs' safety.

billy1966 · 13/02/2023 09:56

Please call Womens aid.

Please call 101 for advice.

Your fear of him is palpable.

He is terrorising the house.

You do not have to accept this.

Can your mother help you?

Tell Womens aid how bad it is.

Tell family and friends.

Ask for help.

Don't protect him.

billy1966 · 13/02/2023 09:57

Would you call SS and self report his abuse of your child?

Call your GP and ask for help.

PourPatrol · 13/02/2023 12:24

He's a total pig. He started joking about being on Tinder and going to look at flats. And he said "I accept your apology" etc etc while laughing (I obviously haven't said sprry)

Anyway I didn't laugh a long, I just tried grey rock if I've understood that term correctly.

He got angry again, gaming, shouting, telling me I'm stubborn, rude, cold hearted bitch etc, asking why i cant get over myself, . I asked him to stop shouting and he said "I'm not shouting, you wanna hear shouting do you???" and then got really loud and aggressive. I've left the house.

The kids are with family today don't worry so didn't see any of that.

Need to just work out how to stop that happening again as refuse to let him erupt like that in front of them. He started talking about doing work on the house this morning and summer holiday places. I can't go along with all that. Or maybe I can if it means protecting the kids of course

Solicitors booked for next week. Called WA @billy1966 no answer yet but will keep trying.

Thank you for all your support 🙏 I will tell someone IRL soon.

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pointythings · 13/02/2023 12:30

If grey rocking him makes him aggressive, don't do it when the kids are around. Keep going with your divorce plans. Be prepared for him to go nuclear when he gets the petition; 999 is your friend, do not hesitate to use it if you are afraid. Tell someone IRL as soon as you safely can, you deserve support.

He is a true POS.

Thesharkradar · 13/02/2023 12:31

He's an idiot with no self-control and no strategy, that is to your advantage because it makes it easier for you to out manoeuvre and out think him.
My strategy would be 'don't poke the bear', keep him as calm as possible so that you can organise things in the background, I would humour him and nod along with everything whilst privately making a solid plan to escape.
You need to stitch him up completely so that there's nothing he can do.

Thesharkradar · 13/02/2023 12:36

Remember you do not owe him anything, your priority is to protect yourself and your children, their well-being and your well-being is all that matters, from now on you are acting, you can use a compliant obedient persona if that's what it takes to keep you safe and keep him quiet.
Use the persona to protect your real self from him.

iwantmyownicecreamvan · 13/02/2023 12:44

I think he's worried because he's realised something in you has changed and you're not going to put up with his behaviour any more. So he is using the limited arsenal of tactics he has to keep you in your place, which is basically pretending he's going to move out (talking about flats), pretending he's planning for your replacement (Tinder), pretending it's your fault (accepting the apology you haven't made), pretending everything's ok (planning for holidays and future projects) and finally his old stand by - shouting and aggression, and when these didn't work he just tried shouting even louder. He has nothing else.

I am concerned that you keep yourself safe whilst this period of information and duck gathering is in place, so maybe not grey rock at the moment. That would be what to do once you have separated, but maybe not now. Wiser posters might be along soon to advise you better, but I am worried that if all his strategies haven't worked, what will he try next?

You are doing so well OP - this is the difficult bit before your happy future without him.

LittleLegoWoman · 13/02/2023 12:58

Right OP, the shouting is getting worse and you’re worried he’ll kick out and break your stuff when you tell him you want to separate. The muttering under his breath is a way of threatening you. That’s enough that I really think you should get some advice about how to leave safely. Women’s Aid are good for this. There are also lots of threads on here about how to leave a violent relationship. You might not be someone who needs to do a moonlight flit to a women’s refuge to leave safely (although do be aware that’s a possibility if his behaviour worsens) but there are ways of ending things that will be safer for you. Don’t tell him you want a divorce and expect him to pack a bag and leave your joint home calmly. Consider getting essential documents and sentimental items out of your house secretly, then telling him over the phone that it’s over from the safety of your mum’s place or a trusted friend or family member.

MamEmma · 13/02/2023 13:53

Please do tell someone IRL. They can't help you if they don't know.

BookWar0m · 13/02/2023 14:01

@PourPatrol there are a lot of people here looking out for you. I don’t have any specific advice I could provide with enough experience but thinking of you and sending a lot of virtual support.

Try to calm yourself down as much as possible, decide what you want in the end to happen (from posts I would suggest it is to split from your husband) and slowly chip away at that plan. Feelings of guilt because of your children or anything else is just noise that is expected and will distract from the end goal. Give yourself time to think about all
that noise and ultimately you will come up with solutions, so long you keep the end goal in mind.

As many people said, stay calm, if at all possible try to emotionally detach as much as you can and think about it as what you are doing is best for your children. They might not think that way at the moment but let that not stop you.

This is just an idea, and my phrasing will probably come across the wrong way but maybe start thinking about your husband like he is a big toddler. What I’m trying to say is rise above everything he does and says as, not always, but normally we know toddler behaviour is a developmental stage and there are tactics that can be deployed to make the transition out of toddlerhood easier (stay calm remains the theme here). But ultimately you know what you want from your toddler and will find a way how to get them do it (be it throwing less tantrums etc..) with as little crying and as few tantrums as possible. Why am I drawing a comparison to a toddler? Because ultimately toddler is a child and even if things get a bit better and you start thinking maybe we can mend things (assuming his behaviour would change slightly because of your hard work of emotional detachment) we don’t merry toddlers / children. We merry grown men who should be our equal partners.

Again, not too much experience here, but I believe if you remain emotionally detached, calm and practical your children will also adapt. There was a thread about someone who wanted to tell their young child that their father, who never sees them, is a twat. The OP wasn’t planning to say it in these exact words and wanted to be age appropriate but lot of the posters explained, many from experience, how being factual, not emotional and letting the children find out for themselves was in the end beneficial for the children. Of course you are not there yet but if you are worrying about your children ultimately happy mum separated (so long not poisoning them against their father but also not sugarcoating) is better than an unhappy mum still with the father.

If anything break the cycle, you mentioned your father didn’t treat you well. Don’t let your children live with a father who doesn’t treat them well, and see their father not treating their mum well. Of course they will be saying they miss him, as they are only little at the moment and it’s all very confusing. But if you are their rock, it doesn’t matter what drama is someone else trying to create. Temporarily it might be hard for them and they will miss him, but long term they will be just fine and most likely better for it.

Every action has a reaction. What ever step you are thinking of doing think about what reaction it might have. MAKE SURE YIU STILL CARRY OUT THAT STEP but if you think the reaction will be undesirable think about some other way how to do the same action but get slightly less aggravating reaction. It will be tiring and require a lot of focus but in the end it should make achieving the end goal easier. There will be hiccups along the way, that is expected, but keep the end goal in mind and keep coming back to the strategy of staying calm, emotionally detached as much as possible, factual, and every action has a reaction….

You can do it!!!!