To wonder why they can’t make a Covid vaccine that actually fucking works?

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Everyone I’ve known who’s had it/got it has been vaccinated and/or boosted.

There’s been two years in which to create a vaccine that actually works rather than just reduces symptoms, in some cases…

I made no such implication, that is your gross misunderstanding and complete lack of comprehension of what I wrote. As for lies and propaganda, it’s you peddling a bunch of that, but most will see through you as you lack the knowledge to even mount anything approaching a convincing argument.

The virus continues to mutate, meaning you can't make a 100% vaccine for immunity.

Small pox, polio, TB and the like they are "static" or minimal mutation meaning the vaccines work.

Mind you I've never caught Covid, I had the initial 2 vaccines, then the booster which made me feel awful, and after that thought fuck it never again.

As a frontline community worker I didn't really get to isolate so was working daily out in the community with people who's hygiene skills were not great because they are homeless and none of them followed guidelines 🤣

Tested daily on lateral flows for work never tested positive, and even recently when they stopped the lateral flows I've not been unwell.

Weirdly also my child 8 (non vaccinated) in childcare hubs and schools has never had it.

My mother a secondary school teacher, vaccinated and boosted once, has never had it.

My grandmother who has had every booster, never had it.

Were in each others company daily and were through the pandemic.

It just seems to have "missed us" somehow 🤣🤷🏻‍♀️

People stopped dying!

Is it not working??? 🤦🏻‍♀️

No it's maths
Never mind dear, beyond you

Omicron helped yes.
But do you remember at all the period of time before omicron when vaccines massively helped? Or have you conveniently forgotten that

Not surprised that you mistake the majority course of action with the most intelligent course of action.

Vaccines don’t stop you getting diseases OP, they reduce the likelihood of you getting seriously sick and reduce the likelihood of death.

You're thinking of sterilisation immunity which isn't common, only two vaccines actually do this.

All others only help create functional immunity which helps train the body to respond to a virus, and it will always give mixed results.

More info here:

www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/

You’re alive enough to type your message, so it clearly works.
If you think you can do better, feel free to have a go.

Oh dear you couldnt even comprehend that the “most” I was referring to are not the same demographic as the “majority” you mentioned and I then referred to. 😢

I’ve felt all along vaccines wouldn’t stop it.
It’s an RNA highly mutating virus. It was never going to work that well.
Im not having any more boosters even though I’m over 50.I’ve been more I’ll with them than when I had the virus in summer 22
I’m also 99% sure I had it just before the pandemic officially happened as something awful went through our workplace in the Christmas time. Doctors knew it was here , they just didn’t know what it was. I was unvaccinated then and it was like having a weird flu.

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No, @asblindasabat is actually correct in general terms.

You just don’t seem to even be aware of asymptomatic vs symptomatic transmission, or even vectors of infection and how the impact of a vaccine on these is completely ancillary to its efficacy against the disease itself. Why else would you be wittering on about mainstream media having to change ‘the narrative.’?

There’s a reason why some diseases can be eradicated by vaccination, but others cannot, and it’s not all to do with how good a vaccine is at creating acquired immunity.

No, not arguing semantics at all. Oh my, you really must have drawn a short straw.

I'm well aware that your first post was implying that the majority of mumsnet agree with you that the vaccine is effective and we should all get boosters indefinitely for the scary Omicron variant.

Science has proven the vaccine is effective. The rest you have made up.

I'm quite happy to be in a minority on here but a majority in society that view it as covid doom mongering hysteria.

Often the majority vote for stupid. Look at Brexit. So “majority in society” isn’t the ringing vindication you think it is.

My issue is you using the majority view on mumsnet to somehow validate your stance as you can't back your own posts up with logic getting continually destroyed on points

I think you are talking about yourself here. It’s impossible for me to debate this with you as you lack the foundational knowledge in science. You have no idea what excess deaths are, you cannot comprehend how different vaccines work differently because the pathogens are different. You confuse a simple statement saying that the most of x is not the same as the majority of y, as an argument about semantics and think I was saying that most and majority mean different things when I was saying that x and y are different demographics. You think vaccines are designed to stop transmission, when they are designed to create acquired immunity. The list is endless really. And you’re telling people they’ve been brainwashed into thinking the Covid vaccine works, when it is abundantly clear you are the poor sod who has been fed anti-vax propaganda and do not know which way is up or down.

Asymptomatic vs symptomatic transmission is absolutely relevant to how good a vaccine is at lowering rates of transmission, and to its potential to actually eradicate a disease or not. As are the actual vectors of transmission because not all diseases are transmissible from one infected person to another person.

Some diseases can be eradicated via vaccination, resulting in no need to vaccinate future generations as children. Some diseases cannot be eradicated through vaccination, resulting in the need to vaccinate future generations (thus the infant and childhood vaccination schedules).

But how good a vaccine is at preventing transmission, is completely separate from how good it is at its primary purpose of creating acquired immunity from a disease.

You don’t even realise you are contradicting yourself on everything you have said about the Covid vaccine by posting the definitions.

@TheWildOrchid
Science has proven the vaccine effective " No it hasn't, I've asked you to provide evidence of this but you can't
Cant be arsed to. It boggles my mind that you’ve ignored the science on the Covid vaccine, what use would it be for me to post ten thousand plus links? You’d ignore them as you are too invested in your anti-vax world view.

You stated that it was a normal winter of excess deaths not realising it was the worst in 50 years.. you're embarrassing yourself.
Youre only embarrassing yourself by lying about what I’ve posted. I never said it was a ‘normal winter of excess deaths’. I know what excess deaths are thanks, and it seems you’re only now looking it up. And realising they do NOT mean the Covid vaccine is a complete failure like you are claiming because honestly you haven’t even looked at how they collect the data for excess deaths.

You don't understand what a vaccine is and don't even accept an actual medical definition quoted from a medical dictionary. We were told at the start of the pandemic the "vaccines " were to reduce transmission in the community". Implying this isn't the case and they are/were purely for individual benefit makes you a disingenuous liar.

I never said or implied I did not accept the definition of a vaccine. I’m just don’t want to get into how your interpretation of that definition shows a complete lack of comprehension. You have shown repeatedly that you haven’t the faintest idea how vaccines work. The biomedical mechanics of them. Btw, the covid vaccine does reduce Covid transmission rates…you just haven’t a clue because you’ve not read the science at all. I haven’t implied anything about what you were told or not told. You are full of anti-vax bullshit. Your misinformation is what is dangerous here.

The Covid vaccine has saved millions of lives. Full stop.