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To wonder why they can’t make a Covid vaccine that actually fucking works?

218 replies

Capitane · 23/01/2023 17:45

Everyone I’ve known who’s had it/got it has been vaccinated and/or boosted.

There’s been two years in which to create a vaccine that actually works rather than just reduces symptoms, in some cases…

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Motelschmotel · 23/01/2023 19:05

FlyLight · 23/01/2023 19:01

Everyone saying the vaccine was never meant to stop you getting covid as if we weren't told to have it to protect the vulnerable, as if care workers didn't lose their jobs, as if people weren't banned from going to events.

Omg. You just can’t with some people.

The vaccine helps protect the vulnerable not by eradicating the disease. It reduces the severity of symptoms, so you don’t take up hospital beds, so the most vulnerable can access them.

Who said that person A getting the vaccine would stop Careworker B from losing his or her job? Wtf are you talking about?

Same logic as above re the passport.

I just cannot get over how ignorant some people can be about this into the THIRD FUCKING YEAR of the virus. So depressing.

Motelschmotel · 23/01/2023 19:07

Takingabreakagain always pops up with the same shit. Convinced it’s to get a rise because nobody can be THIS ridiculous.

Keepfocused · 23/01/2023 19:08

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Sunsetintheeast · 23/01/2023 19:11

Greatly · 23/01/2023 18:59

That's massively unlikely 😂

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Yep, but not impossible…. particularly with a new killer strain.

It’s also about the ‘herd’ and the dampening of the impact. I suspect we’ll be in for a bad year very soon and it always takes a few outliers

FlyLight · 23/01/2023 19:13

Do you not remember when carers were given a deadline to have the vaccine or lose their jobs? The whole point was that they were told they were endangering others by not having it. Nobody's disputing the success of the vaccine in protecting the individual, but we were categorically told it would prevent infection and transmission in a way that it hasn't, and people paid the price by losing their jobs.

WandaWonder · 23/01/2023 19:16

It doesn't prevent you getting it,after all this time do people genuinely think it does?

echt · 23/01/2023 19:17

I'm alive, no jabs also my children. Seems like it doesn't make much difference if you've had jabs or not though some who've had jabs seem to have been really ill. There's no way of knowing how bad someone would have been with/without the vaccine - it's all anecdotal evidence

A bit like the the evidence you're citing now.

snowsilver · 23/01/2023 19:18

I think it's reasonable to wish for a vaccine that could eradicate covid, similar to the smallpox vaccine. I think that's what we hoped for , and in the early days of the vaccine it was hoped it would prevent transmission and infection. Unfortunately that's not the case. It prevents death in most cases and prevents serious illness so it does work, just not how many people imagined.
So it's not perfect but it has allowed normal life to resume.

x2boys · 23/01/2023 19:18

Takingabreakagain · 23/01/2023 18:00

I'm alive, no jabs also my children. Seems like it doesn't make much difference if you've had jabs or not though some who've had jabs seem to have been really ill.
There's no way of knowing how bad someone would have been with/without the vaccine - it's all anecdotal evidence

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umm are thousands of people dying from covid every day?
are we in a lockdown due to.wild uncontrolled spread of a virus that could overwhelm the NHS? ,no.we are not so I'm thinking it probably does work🙄

Ridingthegravytrain · 23/01/2023 19:19

Of course we were told to get them to stop toy catching it. That why everyone did. Then is didn't stop you catching it so it was then said to reduce symptoms. Then that didn't really happen. So then it was well it stops you dying from covid. You see posts on here all the timer, just caught covid it was awful despite all my jabs. Thank god I had them else I'd be dead.

And yes we were always told vaccines stop illness. Hence whenever there is a measles outbreak it's down to all those disgusting hippyish anti vaxxers (even in 100% vaxxed areas in the USA) because your child cannot catch it if it's been vaccinated.

People need to make their minds up.

CoorieInByTheFire · 23/01/2023 19:19

FlyLight · 23/01/2023 19:13

Do you not remember when carers were given a deadline to have the vaccine or lose their jobs? The whole point was that they were told they were endangering others by not having it. Nobody's disputing the success of the vaccine in protecting the individual, but we were categorically told it would prevent infection and transmission in a way that it hasn't, and people paid the price by losing their jobs.

And yet it did, it reduces (not removes) the chance of you getting it plus if you do get it you are less infectious, both of which mean you’re less likely to pass it on. It also reduces the likelihood of you needing hospital care freeing up beds for those who do. Very much like the flu vaccine, which hasn’t been politicised and leapt on by a bunch of gibbering idiots, and somehow is mostly understood by most of said gibbering idiots.

Scautish · 23/01/2023 19:19

YABU - but I understand for the scientifically illiterate it is probably impossible to understand that incredible scientific innovation doesn’t just happen.

vodkaredbullgirl · 23/01/2023 19:19

🤔

Ridingthegravytrain · 23/01/2023 19:20

Ps just to put in my two pennies I don't believe vaccines stop you catching disease. But a Lot of people do

user1471518104 · 23/01/2023 19:20

Nimbostratus100 · 23/01/2023 17:54

It DOES work, and brilliantly - compare our death rate now to 2020!

I just think a lot of people have never actually found out much about vaccines before, percentage cover, length of immunity, reduction of symptoms, etc. Yes there are some vaccines that are more reliable. It is far more effective than many vaccines though! Cholera, for example....

Its about average for a vaccine, people just dont really understand vaccines

The death rate now is way higher than the peak of covid

echt · 23/01/2023 19:20

Am I allowed to say the OP is new to MN, has not engaged, and clearly here to give a reason for anti-vaxxers to shake their witch doctors' rattles?

lippiy · 23/01/2023 19:21

we were categorically told it would prevent infection and transmission in a way that it hasn't, and people paid the price by losing their jobs.

Absolutely correct. People were coerced into having it because they would 'kill granny' if they didn't. And this has led to lower confidence in vaccines in general. I've just seen that HPV vaccine rates in my area have fallen a lot.

I know that vaccines work. But this was handled so badly, from start to finish. The unintended consequences are serious. And we came very close to compulsory covid vaccines here. A terrifying thought.

I do believe that attitudes to this time period will be very different in 20-30 years, once the dust has settled. Things as yet unseen...

Motelschmotel · 23/01/2023 19:22

I should never have read this thread. I just can’t with these people anymore.

CoorieInByTheFire · 23/01/2023 19:25

Motelschmotel · 23/01/2023 19:22

I should never have read this thread. I just can’t with these people anymore.

Same. I think I’ll go and find a dog thread, people seem marginally more rational on those.

WandaWonder · 23/01/2023 19:25

WandaWonder · 23/01/2023 19:16

It doesn't prevent you getting it,after all this time do people genuinely think it does?

I am quoting myself to clarify we are all fully vaccinated, as it can minimises the effects if you get it

But no i have never thought it prevents actually getting it

Jomummy1013 · 23/01/2023 19:30

@Takingabreakagain I am with you on this one.
No one, who has had the jab, can know how anyone would react to Covid without having had the jab.
Covid had a 99.7% chance of survival even before the vaccine and the average age of death was 82.
I've not had the vaccine as it was far too new for me and I am on a lot of medication to help me with my mental health and there is no long term data to see what any long term effects there are.
I don't think the vaccine works brilliantly tbh, and in my opinion, I thought a vaccine was supposed to stop you catching the illness. I don't like the posts on here almost mocking and saying that you have no idea how a vaccine works, as that was also my impression. That was what they promised when it was first brought out. Then they said it lessened symptoms. In my view, a load of rubbish. I think it is completely useless and I am glad I did not have it. My ex was extremely unwell with Gullaine Barre Syndrome after having his first vaccine and that has a 1 in 20 mortality rate. He was so unwell for months.
Several other people I know have also had an adverse reaction to it. I've not ever had Covid. And I've not been vaccinated. Anyway, this view won't be popular on here but we are all entitled to our views. If you've had the jab and believe in its benefits then that's great and you've made the right choice for you. But you shouldn't mock and laugh at those who have a different opinion to you.

madeyemoody · 23/01/2023 19:40

@Capitane I love when uneducated people just exclaim they want a cure for a continuously mutating virus.

Mirabai · 23/01/2023 19:48

I don't like the posts on here almost mocking and saying that you have no idea how a vaccine works, as that was also my impression.

It’s all disingenuous as posters here totally believed it would prevent transmission and now they’re pretending they knew it was bollocks along. See also Brexit.

TiptoeThroughTheToadstools · 23/01/2023 19:49

Have had 3 jags and have never had covid.

lacey79 · 23/01/2023 19:51

Jomummy1013 · 23/01/2023 19:30

@Takingabreakagain I am with you on this one.
No one, who has had the jab, can know how anyone would react to Covid without having had the jab.
Covid had a 99.7% chance of survival even before the vaccine and the average age of death was 82.
I've not had the vaccine as it was far too new for me and I am on a lot of medication to help me with my mental health and there is no long term data to see what any long term effects there are.
I don't think the vaccine works brilliantly tbh, and in my opinion, I thought a vaccine was supposed to stop you catching the illness. I don't like the posts on here almost mocking and saying that you have no idea how a vaccine works, as that was also my impression. That was what they promised when it was first brought out. Then they said it lessened symptoms. In my view, a load of rubbish. I think it is completely useless and I am glad I did not have it. My ex was extremely unwell with Gullaine Barre Syndrome after having his first vaccine and that has a 1 in 20 mortality rate. He was so unwell for months.
Several other people I know have also had an adverse reaction to it. I've not ever had Covid. And I've not been vaccinated. Anyway, this view won't be popular on here but we are all entitled to our views. If you've had the jab and believe in its benefits then that's great and you've made the right choice for you. But you shouldn't mock and laugh at those who have a different opinion to you.

Im sorry this happened to your ex, guillian barres is a life changing condition. I witnessed a few cases professionally after the covid vaccines. However, the rise in GB cases also happened after the flu vaccine was introduced. The risk is minimal, when compared to how many people got the vaccine. There are risks and adverse side effects with every medication, treatment, and vaccine we have. But when the risks are a tiny minority, against the positive effect for the majority, isnt that risk worth taking? People can have adverse effects from almost anything, we dont stop them because of this. A small minority of people have an anaphylaxis allergy to broad spec antibiotics? Do we ban them entirely because a few have a life threatening adverse reaction? No.