To wonder why they can’t make a Covid vaccine that actually fucking works?

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Everyone I’ve known who’s had it/got it has been vaccinated and/or boosted.

There’s been two years in which to create a vaccine that actually works rather than just reduces symptoms, in some cases…

Vaccines historically have always been meant to stop you getting it. That’s what a vaccine does. Not just lessen symptoms.

This is so vague a statement. What do you mean by “stop you getting it.” Vaccines are meant to stop you dying or getting ill after exposure to a pathogen. They have never stopped transmission completely. They have never stopped 100% of the vaccinated from getting ill with something. It’s why we have courses of multiple certain vaccines to get as close as we can to 100%. It’s why we have childhood vaccines, because the pathogens still freely circulate even if everyone is vaccinated and not getting noticeably ill.

And how far back are you going “historically”? And which vaccines do you think it’s one jab and everyone is 100% immune for life?

Regular excess deaths are not " the worst in 50 years"... you're posting more misinformation. This is from the BBC so hardly anti vax

You have me confused with another poster, you mentioned excess deaths, not me. Excess deaths have fuck all to do with vaccine efficacy and lives saved by vaccinating, that’s the issue I’m taking with you thinking excess deaths means vaccines are not working. Excess deaths are simply a seasonal measure of deaths above the baseline rate of deaths. It’s a epidemiological calculation. It’s not a vaccine efficacy study, nor is it focussed on any one cause of death.

I'm just re reading your argument for vaccines having saved millions. Your evidence seems to be far fewer people are dying from a much more mild variant of covid that kills less people and that's down to a vaccine most people aren't now taking which requires boosters repeatedly. Well if that doesn't convince people, nothing will.

FGS, have you even thought to ask why there is only a milder variant of covid killing fewer people? It’s because we are vaccinated against the more severe variants of covid, that kill a higher % of people. Those more severe variants of Covid haven’t magically gone away, they’re still circulating. They’re just not killing people because we are vaccinated. And many viral vaccines require an initial jab and then a series of boosters before long lasting, or even life long immunity. MMR and varicella are great examples of this concept.

Polio takes one jab plus 3 boosters to get to almost 100% efficiency. Because as I say, no vaccine is 100%.

Polioviruses do not mutate at the same rate as coronaviruses. There were only 3 types.

The flu shot is more similar to the Covid jab because both are coronaviruses with a fast mutation rate. And we have an annual one for that which may or may not even contain the right strains of flu that will be circulating that year. There are over a million flu viruses. And thousands of SARS viruses (Covid is a SARS type of coronavirus).

Not all pathogens are the same.

This^
I had symptoms for 2 or 3 days but tbh I've had worse colds.
Now if I'd caught it in 2020 that could have been a whole different story

What the fuck are you on about

erm what-its not a cure it never was

neither is the flu vaccine or the umptennothers

I know a lot of vaccinated people who haven’t caught it. One travels by train every day. When I caught it after vaccination it was like a bad cold and that is because of vaccination. If I had caught it back at the start I’d possibly have died due to some health issues. One guy who is ant vax has gad it 4 times.

I asked you to name a one jab and 100% effective vaccine and you trotted out the polio vaccine. You failed to mention it takes 1 jab plus 3 boosters to get the level of immunity we have. Most people have had 2 jabs plus 1 covid booster.

The two are incomparable because you cannot compare the poliovirus to a SARS type of coronavirus. The difference is the viruses, not the vaccine. The Covid vaccine actually works really well given the type of virus it is up against; one that can mutate multiple times a year.

@TheWildOrchid i’m just giving my experience with vaccinate v unvaccinated. Just like you there with vaccinated people catching it. Mil, my mother, my brother have all not had it and are vaccinated.

@TheWildOrchid
I’m sorry, but I don’t have time to educate you on basic epidemiology and what excess deaths are…they have nothing to do with the Covid vaccine not working as you are claiming and misinforming people on. Yes, excess deaths go up and down one year to the next, but the worst year in fifty years isn’t due to covid vaccines not working like you are claiming. That’s anti-vax misinformation.

You literally haven’t a clue about the differences in viruses, it’s like arguing with someone who thinks a dog is exactly like a human because they’re both mammals. That’s exactly what your polio & small pox vs covid argument is based on. The misconception that a virus is a virus and they’re identical in terms of how to vaccinate and vaccine efficacy.

You also erroneously implied Omicron was due to higher uk vaccination rates
No, I implied no such thing, only a person without even basic knowledge would think that from what I wrote.

I have just realised, I don’t care enough to educate you on this. If you want to risk your life not getting boosters, crack on. It will simply be Darwins natural selection working like it is supposed to.

Polio had been around for hundreds of years before a vaccine was invented. Ditto smallpox, TB, measles, mumps, rubella and just about everything else. But those vaccines were invented before Big Pharma took over everything. They would not have been invented now, or they'd have been withheld and their existence denied. We'd have been sold lesser vaccines for years to make more money for the companies.

I'm not anti-vax at all and it's unreasonable to expect a panacea for Covid within 3 years of the disease being recognised. But it's also naive to think there is any incentive at all for a pharmaceutical company to find one when they can make much more money "managing" the disease for decades.

Im quadruple jabbed and about 90% sure I’ve caught covid flying/visiting London this week

Quite right, I said I’m not educating anyone. I had expected an intelligent discussion with someone who had even a layman’s level of knowledge, which you do not have. It’s just to much trouble to untangle the level of misunderstandings you have exhibited in every post. I’ve answered many questions, but you can’t comprehend what I’m saying. So, there is no point continuing the discussion.

Because it’s a virus which evolves. It’s like trying to kill a moving deer by shooting continuously only in the spot where you last killed one.