Page 38 | To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

crinklemum2 · 2023-01-20T08:35:33+00:00

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform. A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s. He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes. AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

DdraigGoch · 20/01/2023 15:52

More red flags than John McDonnell's birthday party, but there's not really much the law can do. The confident "no risk to the public" statement though - how can they be so sure?

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 15:52

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 15:47

So, I guess that is why I have to trust a bit in the police that they’re handling it- I don’t trust the school girl cos playing man. He’s a bit like a stray dog you simply keep clear of and be thankful a danger is so obvious it’s like a plank in your eye. If I couldn’t trust society at all, I’d not have let my DCs ever leave the house from the fear. So perhaps I do over compensate by trying to be very objective because I know my instincts are fucked to hyper vigilance.

@Onnabugeisha But you must see that a lot of us on here are trusting our hyper vigilent instinct? It's not fucked. It's there because of out past to protect us. It's there for a reason. We know instinctively what a bad man is when we come across one in real life. And I've found to my peril never to ignore it. But then I don't have kids. I don't know how that would have shaped my thinking .

You say yourself, you don't trust this guy we are talking about. And there's s lot of us here who have that same instinct. I wonder why that is?

Sadly, my instincts are truly fucked. Yours may be ok, but I know mine are not. There comes a breaking point where they don’t protect you, they keep you from living a life. And if you have DC, letting them live a life.

I don’t trust the school girl cos player because he is either mad or bad. I’m leaning towards mad. I’m hoping the police will get their documents & approvals sorted and be able to section him.

SafferUpNorth · 20/01/2023 15:53

Surely his behaviour is harrassment at the very least?

"Stalking and harassment is when someone repeatedly behaves in a way that makes you feel scared, distressed or threatened. There are different types of stalking and harassment and anyone can be a victim. Stalking and harassment are offences under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997."

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 15:54

HughesWithNews · 20/01/2023 15:47

You are absolutely NOT being unreasonable. As for all the 'it's just a fashion choice' reponses on here. Well, there's been a LOT of grooming going on these days, I mean look at Essex Police saying 'he's not doing any harm'.

Now go and google 'man dressed as schoolgirl convicted' and see how many convictions pop up.

The signs are there.
Anyone making a choice not to read the signs is negligent in the extreme.

This will NOT end well.

I have just googled that. Jesus wept. Some men really are abhorrent. How can anyone excuse this shit? For the eleventy billionth time today - gut instinct. Walks like a duck, acts like a duck…

HootyMcboob76 · 20/01/2023 15:55

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 15:33

No, that’s not really the case. Believe it or not, but in the 60/70s it wasn’t socially accepted behaviour to “abuse children in plain sight”. He hid it well. Many people who knew him were fooled.

Show quote history

Not according to many of the documentaries I've seen
There is a girl who was openly fondled on camera. She has come out and said so, many of the girls also said that adults KNEW what was going on and chose to ignore it.
MANY people knew it was going on.

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 15:55

And honestly, it would be easier for the police to drive him off to a psychiatric unit (prove he is mad), than it would be to wait for him to actually commit a crime (show he is bad). Also safer for the kids too. Objective is to get him off the street, mad/sectioning him is easiest, fastest way to do it and you don’t have to wait for him to hurt anyone to do it.

Annoyingwurringnoise · 20/01/2023 15:56

just this really

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 15:57

HootyMcboob76 · 20/01/2023 15:55

Not according to many of the documentaries I've seen
There is a girl who was openly fondled on camera. She has come out and said so, many of the girls also said that adults KNEW what was going on and chose to ignore it.
MANY people knew it was going on.

Show quote history

Ummm. Well you see documentaries are hindsight. Living through those times is quite different. I agree a certain close circle had to know, but it wasn’t in plain sight as in most people did not know and the public certainly did not.

Sweetleftfood · 20/01/2023 15:59

I find this so weird, I know he hasn't YET committed a crime in the eyes of the law but the police could of course do something! That's just ridiculous to say, they move on homeless people, beggars, alkies, teenagers etc etc that's their job for goodness sake. Yes they may not arrest him but a few police presents may discourage him and hopefully (not probably but hey) put him on the radar when he moves on to other schools to do the same

I can't be sure but I am sure in our schools, primary and secondary this would not be tolerated, the head and school community would be out there asking him to move on every day. Bloody hell they are hot on it when it comes to parking so why not confront a horrible man dressed as a school girl? Especially our secondary, adults and parents aren't allowed to watch sport fixtures and they will tell you off even if you stand on a public road

thecatsmum12346 · 20/01/2023 16:00

Darthwazette · 20/01/2023 09:31

It must be a very civilised area, in my neck of the woods, it wouldn’t take long until the local teenage gangs battered him to within an inch of his life.

😂 When I was at secondary school 30 years ago Belfairs was one of the roughest schools in the area so I’m somewhat surprised myself.

Yes I was thinking this too! He would not last too long in and around where I live (outskirts, pardon the pun, of Belfast).
The paramilitaries would probably step in and deal with him….swiftly.

Failing that I am shocked that other parents have not stepped in. I wouldn’t let a creep like that stare at my kids.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 16:00

Annoyingwurringnoise · 20/01/2023 15:56

just this really

😂😂 Say what you see!

thecatsmum12346 · 20/01/2023 16:01

Naunet · 20/01/2023 09:32

Don’t worry everyone, the police are experts on which men are a threat to women and girls, nothing to worry about 🙄

The fucking nerve of them to come out with that after recent events, makes me just as angry as the dirty old pervert they’re caping for by asking people not to post pictures of him, because HES the one who needs protecting of course.

Agree

thecatsmum12346 · 20/01/2023 16:02

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 09:40

I posted about gut instinct on that batshit IKEA thread the other day. Our gut instinct is all we relied on for thousands of years. Long before police, courts, do gooders and other nonsense tried to cloud a woman’s judgement. That instinct exists to protect us from predators. This thing is a predator. That’s why our instinct tells you it’s wrong. So whether it’s against the law or not, whether the police tell you they can’t do anything, and whether the handmaidens want to convince you you’re a prude, listen to your gut. It’s really fucking wrong for a man to hang around outside a school in a school uniform and we all know it. We don’t need to be gaslit, patronised, made to explain and told everything’s fine. It’s not. He’s a dirty pervert and he’s a danger. Listen to your gut, and start kicking up an almighty fuss.

Show quote history

Well said

Chersfrozenface · 20/01/2023 16:04

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 15:55

And honestly, it would be easier for the police to drive him off to a psychiatric unit (prove he is mad), than it would be to wait for him to actually commit a crime (show he is bad). Also safer for the kids too. Objective is to get him off the street, mad/sectioning him is easiest, fastest way to do it and you don’t have to wait for him to hurt anyone to do it.

Two problems with that.
Is there capacity in any unit, anywhere, never mind locally?
Do the police have grounds for such a course of action?

Jennybeans401 · 20/01/2023 16:06

Police should at least speak to him about this, it's anti social behaviour causing distress and shock.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 16:07

I do think that if we can take one thing from this thread today though, it’s that the overwhelming majority see through this complete and utter bullshit. We see it for exactly what it is. We see the perverts, handmaidens and apologists for exactly what they are. And we will never allow our children to have their boundaries broken down by this absolute shite. So keep on sneering at us, trying to stop us, calling us names. It’s pointless. We don’t care. We know we’re right, and we know we’ll be on the right side of history, let alone decency and morality.

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 16:08

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 15:52

Sadly, my instincts are truly fucked. Yours may be ok, but I know mine are not. There comes a breaking point where they don’t protect you, they keep you from living a life. And if you have DC, letting them live a life.

I don’t trust the school girl cos player because he is either mad or bad. I’m leaning towards mad. I’m hoping the police will get their documents & approvals sorted and be able to section him.

Show quote history

I get that. Even a protective thing can get pushed to breaking point, and then you can't trust it at all.

What i will say though is here your instinct is matching a lot of other peoples. And he probably does have mental health issues, a lot of us do. That doesnt make his behaviour acceptable in a decent society though.

On threads like this when you find your natural instinct is matching quite a lot of the posters that are arguing with you all I ask is that you stop and think why that is?

Anyway aren't you supposed to be crocheting a vulva?

Inastatus · 20/01/2023 16:14

I am shocked at the police response. It’s intimidating behaviour and of course he poses a potential threat. Fucking weirdo needs dealing with.

Everyonehasavoice · 20/01/2023 16:15

YellowAndGreenToBeSeen · 20/01/2023 08:45

I would be raising hell with the school head and governors. It’s not a fashion choice, it’s a fetish and he is getting off standing there.

It’s not up to the school…surely. Unless they sold him the uniform and he tried it on so the school knew it was for him.

dawngreen · 20/01/2023 16:19

Has he a family member there ? maybe they don't want to admit knowing him. Or he has a mental problem that would explain the police not doing any thing. And how has he got all these uniforms for each school?

Everyonehasavoice · 20/01/2023 16:19

its not against the law for men to cross dress or visa versa.
Just like men walking around without a top on, or in fact women, unless it can be proven they are deliberately doing it to intimidate.

Also he’s on public land not the school premises. If he was a cross dressing parent the school couldn’t discriminate against him for being on school premises either.

BordoisAgain · 20/01/2023 16:21

I wonder how far men like this actually have to push it before the apologists and minimisers are willing to say "actually yes, that is sus"

"Oh, he's only talking to them, no law against that"

"Oh, maybe he's lonely and just trying to make new friends, no law against asking if someone wants to meet up later"

"Oh, but where were the parents in all this, why did they let her meet up with him"

There's always a reason why the man is innocent, regardless of how many red flags.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 16:22

BordoisAgain · 20/01/2023 16:21

I wonder how far men like this actually have to push it before the apologists and minimisers are willing to say "actually yes, that is sus"

"Oh, he's only talking to them, no law against that"

"Oh, maybe he's lonely and just trying to make new friends, no law against asking if someone wants to meet up later"

"Oh, but where were the parents in all this, why did they let her meet up with him"

There's always a reason why the man is innocent, regardless of how many red flags.

What tends to happen (based on the vast amount of previous evidence) is that the apologists and handmaidens fall silent and it’s never mentioned again.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 16:23

Everyonehasavoice · 20/01/2023 16:19

its not against the law for men to cross dress or visa versa.
Just like men walking around without a top on, or in fact women, unless it can be proven they are deliberately doing it to intimidate.

Also he’s on public land not the school premises. If he was a cross dressing parent the school couldn’t discriminate against him for being on school premises either.

Thank you for that fascinating insight. We really appreciate it.

Newtonsnipple · 20/01/2023 16:25

I'd invite anyone who thinks pedo's are all oh so clever and charming to have a peep at some of the self-proclaimed 'MAPS' ('Minor attracted persons' - or paedophiles to you and me and the rest of the planet) on Twitter.

They openly advertise their 'age of attraction' (i.e. what age of children they like to fanatsise about raping) in their bios and appear to feel completely secure disclosing this fact.

They certainly aren't clever. Or even hiding anymore.

They don't need to. They have an umbrella to stand under.

This is what happens when the perfectly normal statement of 'Not all trans people are paedophiles' is distorted by activists and thick virtue signalling supporters to 'You must never EVER accuse or even suspect a trans person of being a paedo. Ever. No matter what the evidence is. Because they are ALL wonderful and brave and lovely. Bigot.'

Only one group of people is NOT harmed from the mangling of the above sentiment. And it isn't children, women or the people actually suffering from gendre dysphoria.