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To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

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crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 08:35

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

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lemmein · 20/01/2023 14:51

The local police and the family are more of an expert on this man than you or anyone on this thread is.

We should just do away with psychiatrists then - we'll just ask the local beat Bobby his opinion 🤣🤣

Naunet · 20/01/2023 14:51

Naunet · 20/01/2023 14:50

😂 yeah, just like the police are experts on their own fucking officers, right?

You didn’t answer, have you ever met a child abuser?

Sorry, I see you did answer. So what’s your insight into child abusers? What made you so sure of the claim that one would ever be so blatant?

flytterbugsdog · 20/01/2023 14:51

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:31

To a certain extent, society does need to fear the mentally ill less than they do. There is a lot of misinformation regarding the mentally ill, especially in regards to their threat to others when really they are most likely to harm themselves and not anyone else. I’m not sure teaching children to be afraid of the mentally ill is helpful. It leads to some of the horrible posts on here advocating violence and most making assumptions he is the worst sort of human being; when so far the police haven’t found any evidence that he is anything of the sort. Obviously, his behaviour is bizarre and not ok, but is it something to express so much fear over? Many are convinced he’s going to “escalate” and attack a child, and so are going on about child safety. But is he a risk to their safety? Or is it the usual stigma against the mentally ill acting bizzarely in public?

The police are involved, which is right as they should be. They’re aware of him and presumably monitoring his whereabouts. So I think it’s being handled.

I agree society needs to fear the mentally ill less. However - that is NEVER going to happen when every time someone does anything bad, it is talked away (murder, hanging around schools dressed as a school girl) with "perhaps he has mental issues"/depression.

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:53

LakieLady · 20/01/2023 14:42

S.5 requires behaviour to be "abusive, threatening or insulting" iirc. It's hard to see how wearing a school uniform meets that test imo, at least not to the degree that would meet the CPS test of at least 51% chance of conviction.

Even if the police arrested and charged him, I reckon the CPS would probably drop it anyway.

Agreed. They’re doing what they can which is work with the family to expedite MH services and monitor the situation.

FamousPrincess · 20/01/2023 14:54

Live and let live within the law and if you have cocnenrs, tell the cops and dont take the law into your own hands as it is never right.

Sounds odd but I'm sure the cops are on to this.

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:54

flytterbugsdog · 20/01/2023 14:51

I agree society needs to fear the mentally ill less. However - that is NEVER going to happen when every time someone does anything bad, it is talked away (murder, hanging around schools dressed as a school girl) with "perhaps he has mental issues"/depression.

Why did you list murder as something that is “talked away”? That’s so odd.

Speedywallpaper · 20/01/2023 14:55

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:48

The local police and the family are more of an expert on this man than you or anyone on this thread is.

Yes

Because of course the police are never misogynistic or wrong.

Neither have they been Stonewalled to within an inch of their lives to believe 'trans rights' trump safeguarding.

This guy's clearly a pervert. He might have mental health issues, but the safeguarding risk is blindingly obvious.

Naunet · 20/01/2023 14:56

FamousPrincess · 20/01/2023 14:54

Live and let live within the law and if you have cocnenrs, tell the cops and dont take the law into your own hands as it is never right.

Sounds odd but I'm sure the cops are on to this.

So men should be free to dress up as a school girl, follow school girls onto a bus and take pictures of them? Why?

2023pending · 20/01/2023 14:56

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:54

Why did you list murder as something that is “talked away”? That’s so odd.

Because it literally is. How many times have people been murdered and it been blamed on mental health issues. All you need to do to confirm that is read the comments on articles.

FrostyFifi · 20/01/2023 14:57

Because it literally is. How many times have people been murdered and it been blamed on mental health issues

Or "kinky sex gone wrong" 🙄

FrostyFifi · 20/01/2023 14:58

Anyway the thread will be full soon and drop away which I'm sure was the intention.

I hope any lurkers have taken note.

CristinaNov182 · 20/01/2023 14:58

Naunet · 20/01/2023 14:50

😂 yeah, just like the police are experts on their own fucking officers, right?

You didn’t answer, have you ever met a child abuser?

Maybe he meets one every time he meets a mirror? 😬Maybe, whom am I to know? I don’t know anything

Pay attention to whom he doesn’t have any empathy about too, the girls in question. He hasn’t said a word about it. I wonder if that’s because he has nothing else to tell them apart from ‘get over it’, ‘be kind, he’s mentally ill!, ‘you can’t be kind when a man makes you uncomfortable? you’re a bigot’

it reminds me of the wi-spa incident where people told the 9 year old girl that it was her fault, she shouldn’t look at other people’s genitals. (Pervert was defended even by the guardian, like 3 times, they wrote 3 articles, then all silence when the history of sexual abuse was discovered…)

Naunet · 20/01/2023 15:00

CristinaNov182 · 20/01/2023 14:58

Maybe he meets one every time he meets a mirror? 😬Maybe, whom am I to know? I don’t know anything

Pay attention to whom he doesn’t have any empathy about too, the girls in question. He hasn’t said a word about it. I wonder if that’s because he has nothing else to tell them apart from ‘get over it’, ‘be kind, he’s mentally ill!, ‘you can’t be kind when a man makes you uncomfortable? you’re a bigot’

it reminds me of the wi-spa incident where people told the 9 year old girl that it was her fault, she shouldn’t look at other people’s genitals. (Pervert was defended even by the guardian, like 3 times, they wrote 3 articles, then all silence when the history of sexual abuse was discovered…)

Indeed, no concern for the girls and how this impacts them whatsoever.

IceyDicey · 20/01/2023 15:00

Where are the police? Are they too busy intimidating Gender Critical women to have time to sort this one out.

MichelleScarn · 20/01/2023 15:02

Can't believe all the 'but the police have SAID its ok what he's doing, so poor man won't anybody THINK OF THE DEVIANT PERVERTS?!
For all thone saying he and his behaviour is harmless.... Will you offer up your kids to have their photo taken by him?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 20/01/2023 15:02

The thing all the perv apologist posters coming on to threads like this, and the IKEA men with their pup play fetish one, don't seem to realise, is that instead of convincing anyone that we are all just a bunch of hysterical women and that these men aren't doing anything wrong, it just makes the lurkers and other posters see the extent at which male sexual fetishists are being allowed to get away with behaviour that isn't and should not be publicly acceptable.

We see clearly those trying to dismantle child safeguarding and erode the boundaries of women and children.

This behaviour has nothing to do with gay or trans people, it's about men getting off on displaying their fetish in public.

Anyone loitering around schools, following children onto buses and taking pics should be the biggest safeguarding red flag. A man blatantly displaying his schoolgirl fetish in front of school children with zero consequence is off the scale.

This is not harmless behaviour.

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 15:04

@Whatsnewpussyhat
instead of convincing anyone that we are all just a bunch of hysterical women

Oh, I think you lot do a good job of doing that yourselves. With buzzard comments like smelling Y chromosomes and such. Not really how rational persons act on a forum.

SillySausage81 · 20/01/2023 15:05

"this individual does not pose a risk." - Essex Police.

How can they be so sure? ANY man persistently hanging around outside a school who isn't a father of a pupil should be considered to pose a risk, no matter what they are wearing.

It doesn't matter if he is vulnerable, or has a learning difficulty, or any of the rest of it... those men can and sometimes do sexually harass and assault women and young girls too. The children's safety and comfort should be PARAMOUNT. The police can tell loiterers to move on... and they usually would in the case of any other man loitering outside a school.

When you add the school uniform aspect, the chances that his actions are driven by a fetish increase exponentially... I think there just isn't enough awareness of autogynephila. People assume that a man wearing women's clothes must be some poor tortured soul living with unimaginable mental suffering when a large amount of the time it is quite simply a fetish.

LadyMary50 · 20/01/2023 15:05

Newnamefor23 · 20/01/2023 09:23

I’m sure the school and Police will be aware of this strange situation.

The school have no jurisdiction outside their premises and until the man commits an offence he cannot be arrested.

It may be that the Police could offer words of advice? I suspect the man is in more danger than pupils. Especially from people like the poster who suggested that a few Dads might like to help out?

There are people who don’t fit social norms, who worry and cause concern, weirdos if you like. Some may set out to cause offence, some have a misguided mission (like the one mentioned earlier who shouted political statements at a school) other are harmless who just don’t fir in.

I can understand how this man is causing concern - but he’s in the open. The ones hiding in plain sight are more dangerous.

All the perverts are now in plain site.That’s the whole point,they want to be seen and get a reaction.They get a sexual kick from being seen.You need to wake up to the fact that this isn’t something new in society,these men are being emboldened by Stonewall and most Labour MPs.The naivety of some women is appalling.

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 15:06

Onnabugeisha · Today 14:43

No. I’m operating under the reports from the police having checked this man out and spoken to the family that he is mentally ill, not a pervert about to sex offend.

Me and you were both on the same MAP thread over Christmas, I explained on that thread that my mum knew what my rapist intended to do before she let him move in.

Do you honestly think she'd have told the truth if I'd told a policeman at the time? Or do you think she'd have lied and declared him a wonderful person who was pure good and would never harm her child?

Those closest to a suspected wrong doer are the last people you should rely on for a character witness

StephanieSuperpowers · 20/01/2023 15:07

it's about men getting off on displaying their fetish in public.

It absolutely is. This is the crux of the matter. And women know this. What the apologists don't realise is that there are so many of these men going around that we've all met them and we don't have the patience or tolerance for their nonsense left. It's gone, worn down by the staring and the grabbing and the groping and the whispers and the shouting out of vans and the rapes and the demands and the porn everywhere and we don't want it for the next generation and we're past the point of accepting any excuses for you and your horrible, grubby mates.

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 15:08

@Boiledbeetle
Thats a fair point about the family tbh. After all my parents literally pimped me out to pedophiles from age 7. I don’t like to talk about it much.

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 15:10

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 15:08

@Boiledbeetle
Thats a fair point about the family tbh. After all my parents literally pimped me out to pedophiles from age 7. I don’t like to talk about it much.

Exactly Geisha, i wasnt gong to mention it until you did. But I know you know that families can't be trusted.

So why are you trying so hard to defend this?

Naunet · 20/01/2023 15:10

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 15:04

@Whatsnewpussyhat
instead of convincing anyone that we are all just a bunch of hysterical women

Oh, I think you lot do a good job of doing that yourselves. With buzzard comments like smelling Y chromosomes and such. Not really how rational persons act on a forum.

No, men rational people defend a perverts actions with excuses of mental illness with no thought or concern as to how the girls are impacted. If only we could be more like you, all the perverts could finally left alone to be themselves 🥺

Beowulfa · 20/01/2023 15:13

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:35

To be fair, I’d say the same if it were a woman acting and dressing bizzarrely and about whom the police had determined was no threat. I don’t know why everything has to become a menz issue.

How many women do you think search for "schoolboy porn" and dress up in uniforms? Come on, be honest.

This is just more "but women commit violent crimes too" and "lesbians can be predatory in women's toilets" bollocks intended to play down male violence.

The man dressed as a schoolgirl has a cock. That is why he is always more of a potential threat than a bizarrely dressed woman.

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