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To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

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crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 08:35

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

OP posts:
Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 14:21

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 20/01/2023 14:09

You forgot that if he is dressed as a female, then he must be one.

Gosh you're right. How terrible of me.

I must repent.

I'm just of to do a bit of self flagellation.

30 lashes should do it.😁

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 14:22

OvaHere · 20/01/2023 14:20

He possibly doesn't have the capacity to realise what he is doing is deeply disturbing to people and children

Then why did he lie to the school uniform shop, saying the skirt was for his granddaughter? He knows.

He knows he is in the wrong.

LadyMary50 · 20/01/2023 14:22

Tiny2018 · 20/01/2023 08:58

Are we sure this man has no learning difficulties? I only ask as most people who pose a threat to society would make more of an effort to hide their behaviour if it might look dodgy.

I worked in a home for people with learning difficulties a few years and similar stuff could be found in some of their histories. This of course is not meant to suggest that everybody with learning difficulties is a risk, nothing could be further from the truth, but your reference to this man instantly made me think of one of the men in that home.

The problem is that these men are no longer hiding their fetish,they are escalating their behaviours and are a becoming a danger.

FrostyFifi · 20/01/2023 14:23

I just don’t think it’s a universal issue with all police forces in the U.K. and the reports coming out aren’t showing #s that rate the tone of the sensationalist headlines.

And I think you have an agenda rather than being spectacularly naive. Fortunately it's blatant.

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:23

CristinaNov182 · 20/01/2023 14:17

He might not be a pervert just mentally ill BUT HIS ACTIONS ARE PERVERTED.

He is dressing up in a girl school uniform and wearing it NEXT TO THAT SCHOOL AND IN A BUS CONNECTING TO IT - ALL PLACES WHERE GIRLS OF THAT SCHOOL TRAVEL

that’s indefensible.

I don’t have to have a window into his soul to understand his actions amount to harassment, at least.

he should be forbidden from wearing girls uniform and being near ANY school. Plus getting him mental help asap.

as is, we are letting him

  1. understand his behaviour is acceptable (wtf?!)
  2. increases his risk of escalation
  3. TEACHES GIRLS THAT THEIR FEELINGS OF DISCOMFORT DONT MATTER AND THAT THEY SHOULDN’T TRUST THEIR INSTINCT, AND THE FEELING OF MENTALLY ILL MEN MATTER MORE THAN THEIRS, AND ITS OK TO BE HARASSED BY MEN

are you ok with all or any of these?! @Onnabugeisha

I don’t agree we are letting any of that- the 1,2,3 you listed.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 20/01/2023 14:23

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:18

I just don’t think it’s a universal issue with all police forces in the U.K. and the reports coming out aren’t showing #s that rate the tone of the sensationalist headlines.

You are allowed to hold that faith based view if you wish, but that's all it is.

CristinaNov182 · 20/01/2023 14:23

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:19

Sigh, the question is pervert OR mentally ill. You’re not really comprehending that you can be one without the other.

You are not comprehending that HIS ACTIONS ARE PERVERTED, no matter if he’s “just”mentally ill and not a pervert.

is it ok for the girls who are stared down, or feel uncomfortable in his presence to endure it if he were “just” mentally ill??

do you need mental help as well?

BloodAndFire · 20/01/2023 14:24

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:19

Sigh, the question is pervert OR mentally ill. You’re not really comprehending that you can be one without the other.

It's bloody obvious that he's a pervert because he's doing perverted things repeatedly in plain view.

Are you just naive or do you have some other motive?

'Sigh'

Naunet · 20/01/2023 14:24

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:23

I don’t agree we are letting any of that- the 1,2,3 you listed.

Want to explain why?

LexMitior · 20/01/2023 14:25

The poster who said he was potentially outraging public decency made a good point. You can use that to deal with deviant behaviour, I've used that in the past. Needs a good barrister to make it stick.

LolaSmiles · 20/01/2023 14:25

What a surprise that another thread about women/children having their boundaries eroded turns into the inevitable cries from some posters to minimise a man's behaviour, excuse a man's behaviour, whilst telling the women and children to be kind, be more understanding, and centre the man displaying problematic behaviour.

Every bloody time 🙄

AngelsWithSilverWings · 20/01/2023 14:27

@MilkyWaytoday the dads ( and mums for that matter ) in this very affluent area are City bankers , hedge fund managers, accountants , doctors., surgeons , teachers and all sorts of other occupations. I don't know anyone around here who would risk their jobs or safety by forming a vigilante group to threaten a clearly mentally unwell person. They will leave it to the police and the school to handle while warning their own kids to give him a wide berth ( which I have done!)

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 14:29

AngelsWithSilverWings · 20/01/2023 14:27

@MilkyWaytoday the dads ( and mums for that matter ) in this very affluent area are City bankers , hedge fund managers, accountants , doctors., surgeons , teachers and all sorts of other occupations. I don't know anyone around here who would risk their jobs or safety by forming a vigilante group to threaten a clearly mentally unwell person. They will leave it to the police and the school to handle while warning their own kids to give him a wide berth ( which I have done!)

Have his family got money? Perhaps they could pay private for some help instead of letting him prance around in his little girls uniform.

Chersfrozenface · 20/01/2023 14:30

Difficult to give him a wide berth on a bus, I would have thought. Confined and crowded space.

Easier if a parent drops you off and picks you up in a car, obviously.

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:31

CristinaNov182 · 20/01/2023 14:23

You are not comprehending that HIS ACTIONS ARE PERVERTED, no matter if he’s “just”mentally ill and not a pervert.

is it ok for the girls who are stared down, or feel uncomfortable in his presence to endure it if he were “just” mentally ill??

do you need mental help as well?

To a certain extent, society does need to fear the mentally ill less than they do. There is a lot of misinformation regarding the mentally ill, especially in regards to their threat to others when really they are most likely to harm themselves and not anyone else. I’m not sure teaching children to be afraid of the mentally ill is helpful. It leads to some of the horrible posts on here advocating violence and most making assumptions he is the worst sort of human being; when so far the police haven’t found any evidence that he is anything of the sort. Obviously, his behaviour is bizarre and not ok, but is it something to express so much fear over? Many are convinced he’s going to “escalate” and attack a child, and so are going on about child safety. But is he a risk to their safety? Or is it the usual stigma against the mentally ill acting bizzarely in public?

The police are involved, which is right as they should be. They’re aware of him and presumably monitoring his whereabouts. So I think it’s being handled.

BloodAndFire · 20/01/2023 14:33

AngelsWithSilverWings · 20/01/2023 14:27

@MilkyWaytoday the dads ( and mums for that matter ) in this very affluent area are City bankers , hedge fund managers, accountants , doctors., surgeons , teachers and all sorts of other occupations. I don't know anyone around here who would risk their jobs or safety by forming a vigilante group to threaten a clearly mentally unwell person. They will leave it to the police and the school to handle while warning their own kids to give him a wide berth ( which I have done!)

It's in Southend!

Naunet · 20/01/2023 14:33

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:31

To a certain extent, society does need to fear the mentally ill less than they do. There is a lot of misinformation regarding the mentally ill, especially in regards to their threat to others when really they are most likely to harm themselves and not anyone else. I’m not sure teaching children to be afraid of the mentally ill is helpful. It leads to some of the horrible posts on here advocating violence and most making assumptions he is the worst sort of human being; when so far the police haven’t found any evidence that he is anything of the sort. Obviously, his behaviour is bizarre and not ok, but is it something to express so much fear over? Many are convinced he’s going to “escalate” and attack a child, and so are going on about child safety. But is he a risk to their safety? Or is it the usual stigma against the mentally ill acting bizzarely in public?

The police are involved, which is right as they should be. They’re aware of him and presumably monitoring his whereabouts. So I think it’s being handled.

So you think we should wait until he or someone like him attacks a child, and then we can say something?

What amazing logic, bye bye safeguarding, was nice knowing you, but being kind to men is more important now.

BloodAndFire · 20/01/2023 14:34

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:31

To a certain extent, society does need to fear the mentally ill less than they do. There is a lot of misinformation regarding the mentally ill, especially in regards to their threat to others when really they are most likely to harm themselves and not anyone else. I’m not sure teaching children to be afraid of the mentally ill is helpful. It leads to some of the horrible posts on here advocating violence and most making assumptions he is the worst sort of human being; when so far the police haven’t found any evidence that he is anything of the sort. Obviously, his behaviour is bizarre and not ok, but is it something to express so much fear over? Many are convinced he’s going to “escalate” and attack a child, and so are going on about child safety. But is he a risk to their safety? Or is it the usual stigma against the mentally ill acting bizzarely in public?

The police are involved, which is right as they should be. They’re aware of him and presumably monitoring his whereabouts. So I think it’s being handled.

Calling blatant perverts 'mentally ill' does far more to stigmatise mental health problems.

gemstoneju · 20/01/2023 14:34

YABR, OP. By which I mean you're being unreasonably reasonable.

He needs a group of strapping lads to kick the crap out of him, and he won't be seen again.

Job done.

Davy123 · 20/01/2023 14:34

Causing alarm and distress to these school children is breaking the law! There are laws against causing alarm and distress. Staring at young girls on the bus - forcing them to have to move and frightening them is NOT ok. I'm sure that if your daughter came home very scared of this you would have something to say about it. But for those of you who think this is not an issue - its obviously not your children or outside your house!!

FrostyFifi · 20/01/2023 14:34

There's no concrete evidence thst this man is mentally ill other than his family claiming it, which could be an attempt to excuse or minimise his behaviour.

Stop trying to twist this as people being "mean to the mentally ill".

Onnabugeisha · 20/01/2023 14:35

LolaSmiles · 20/01/2023 14:25

What a surprise that another thread about women/children having their boundaries eroded turns into the inevitable cries from some posters to minimise a man's behaviour, excuse a man's behaviour, whilst telling the women and children to be kind, be more understanding, and centre the man displaying problematic behaviour.

Every bloody time 🙄

To be fair, I’d say the same if it were a woman acting and dressing bizzarrely and about whom the police had determined was no threat. I don’t know why everything has to become a menz issue.

omnitea · 20/01/2023 14:36

To all the posters here trying to minimise and dismiss our concerns, why are you even wasting your time and energy doing this? We are on to you, we know that people with a vested interest in allowing this sort of behavior to be normalised show up to threads like this where women share information about the predators who threaten them and their children and try to silence them, call them hysterical, bigots and so on. We know this is a tactic, a deliberate attempt to shut down the conversation and warnings we share with each other so you are wasting your time because nothing you say will stop us from discussing this behaviour and from organising against it. Women have fought millenia of oppression to protect ourselves and our children and men and their handmaidens cannot win against us.

BeachBlondey · 20/01/2023 14:36

Well here in Scotland you can be arrested for “causing fear and alarm”, there must be something similar in English law.

StarCourt · 20/01/2023 14:37

@Onnabugeisha

because it is menz doing these things maybe...

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