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To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

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crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 08:35

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

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Leadbypencils · 20/01/2023 13:29

So what do we think will happen here?

Police, not at the moment. School? Parents? MP? Is the entire country powerless regarding such obvious taunting and perversion? Surely not.

The entire Trans movement has always seemed very sinister to me. All that hoo haa for a tiny number of people apparently affected. Perhaps it was/is a way for those under the radar, i.e. not professing to be trans to engage in behaviours which up to the GRA etc. would have been strongly challenged by society.

StephanieSuperpowers · 20/01/2023 13:29

Cocobutt · 20/01/2023 13:23

You are either being very naive or due to some ulterior motive are willfully telling parents to ignore their instincts over a man who is clearly a pervert.

So what do you think they should do?

Keep asking him to leave, complaining to the school, calling the police etc?
As none of those things have worked so far.

He is obviously doing it for a reason and enjoying the attention it brings him.

I'd say he's also enjoying the orgasms.

Cocobutt · 20/01/2023 13:29

Yes he is. His behaviour is threatening and he’s actually been taking photographs of the children and riding the school bus. The police don’t want to deal with it because they don’t want the fallout from those who will shout ‘transphobe’ if they do.

I hadn’t realised he threatened anyone, that definitely is a crime.

But it’s not a crime to take photos of children if they are in a public place unfortunately (there was a thread about this a few months back).

And it’s up to the bus driver/school to ensure he’s not getting on the bus.
If he gets on without permission then it’s definitely a police matter but if the driver is letting him on then it’s not.

AngelsWithSilverWings · 20/01/2023 13:30

@2023pending well clearly it's his family who are the ones trying to get the help because I imagine he doesn't have the capacity to do it himself.

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 13:30

AngelsWithSilverWings · 20/01/2023 13:21

This is also my local school. It's been all over local social media. A "friend" of his family made a comment on social media saying the family have been trying to get help for his mental illness but are struggling. ( mental health service provision around here is awful as I know from my own experience of trying to get help for a family member)

I accept that the police don't believe he is a danger to kids so I'm not stressing about it.

As someone asked up threat - it is a very safe , civilised and affluent / middle class area. It's a lovely and accepting community. People are still naturally concerned about this extremely odd behaviour though.

Someone mentioned the school being "rough" when they went there 30 years ago. The school used to be poorly regarded decades ago but it's been completely rebuilt , is now oversubscribed and well thought of although is still seen as a second choice locally because of the grammar school system we have.

I have friends whose kids go there and they love it.

I just hope that all this publicity will mean this man gets taken off the streets as soon as possible and given some appropriate care for his own safety.

Just because he has mental health problems doesn't mean he's not dangerous FFS!

MistressoftheDarkSide · 20/01/2023 13:30

If the person in question is doing this for attention it can go two ways - ignore it and the attention seeking becomes more extreme and leads to a very messy outcome.

The other way is to remove them and also get them the support they need for whatever reason - the children come first in my book.

Maybe there is no physical risk but there is a psychological risk - children being advised to look the other way, be kind etc - when they do come up against a similar person who is a risk their ability to judge it is compromised and confused.

Plenty of time to address at an age appropriate time that everyone is different, be kind, freedom of expression etc but it's not at home time at the school gates when the only consideration should be whether they want a snack and have remembered their homework and gym bag..... 🙄

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 20/01/2023 13:31

2023pending · 20/01/2023 12:48

Apparently he’s doing it because of issues in his childhood. Which looks like he’s had 30+ years to resolve. Also quite strange how dressing as a teenage and young schoolgirl affirms his inner child, growing up male. Fucking dirty pig I hope no child or parent ends up hurt through this sicko

Another thing to add to the list of known precursors to escalated behaviours then!

JudgeRudy · 20/01/2023 13:31

FarFromObvious · 20/01/2023 09:13

’I only ask as most people who pose a threat to society would make more of an effort to hide their behaviour if it might look dodgy’

No. Sadistic exhibitionists do it because they want a reaction.

Sadistic?!

pairofrollerskates · 20/01/2023 13:31

Behaviour likely to lead to a breach of the peace. this is an actual thing. If the police continue to ignore it, make an actual break of the peace by staging a (peaceful) demo. do not allow this weird and creepy man to escalate his behaviour.

ickky · 20/01/2023 13:31

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 20/01/2023 13:05

This insanity is affecting most of the western world. You could be forgiven for thinking it was orchestrated

Indeed.

Yes, just look at the ESG funding policies.

You will only get the grant/money if you are fully inclusive with special emphasis on the TQI+

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 13:32

AngelsWithSilverWings · 20/01/2023 13:30

@2023pending well clearly it's his family who are the ones trying to get the help because I imagine he doesn't have the capacity to do it himself.

He has the capacity to go uniform shopping and lie it's for his Grandaughter.

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 20/01/2023 13:32

AbsolutePixels · 20/01/2023 13:16

Haven't read the full thread, but why can't they prosecute this pervert under Section 5 of the Public Order Act?

Because, according to some, he ain't dooin nuffin rong!

StarCourt · 20/01/2023 13:33

But really, does he have mental issues? He is cognisant enough to be able to source 2 different school uniforms, wear the correct uniform outside the correct school at the correct time for the kids coming out and then get on the bus and presumably pay correctly to travel.

ShakespearesBlister · 20/01/2023 13:33

2023pending · 20/01/2023 13:27

Well he won’t find much mental health support outside of schools and on school buses with children.

People with mental issues don't tend to think rationally like that. In fact they often don't get the support they need until thier behaviour becomes so disturbing and bizarre that it starts getting plastered all over social media.

ChristmasCakeAndGin · 20/01/2023 13:33

Ignore the wearing the uniform part and he is still a man without kids at the school hanging around, watching children, getting on their bus, taking picture of them.
Police need to give their heads a serious wobble!!!

MichaelFabricantWig · 20/01/2023 13:34

HermioneWeasley · 20/01/2023 08:50

I saw him described on Twitter as a “grotty old perv” and I thought that was perfect. What’s unbelievable is the police have spoken to him and decided he’s not a risk (yeah, I’ll trust their judgment!) and asked that people stop sharing pictures of him as it might upset him! If I were local I’d be calling my MP and my local police and crime commissioner and kicking up a bloody stink. He is imposing his fetish on children.

Yep, it’s disgusting. He’s probably told police he is a woman and so they won’t do anything

pattihews · 20/01/2023 13:34

Backtoreality1 · 20/01/2023 08:51

He is not breaking the law.....not sure what you would expect the school to do other than reinforce stranger danger message. Of course if he came onto their grounds that is another matter.

How can the school lecture about Stranger Danger when they're also telling the children that anyone can be anything. If a boy can be a girl and woman can be a man (and vice versa) then an old man in a school uniform can be a schoolgirl if he says so.

omnitea · 20/01/2023 13:34

Cocobutt · 20/01/2023 13:23

You are either being very naive or due to some ulterior motive are willfully telling parents to ignore their instincts over a man who is clearly a pervert.

So what do you think they should do?

Keep asking him to leave, complaining to the school, calling the police etc?
As none of those things have worked so far.

He is obviously doing it for a reason and enjoying the attention it brings him.

He needs to be barred from going near these schools or the pupils and if he ignores that then he should be arrested.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 13:34

ShakespearesBlister · 20/01/2023 13:28

There's an awful lot of hysteria and speculation on this thread. Can anyone explain the sex offending here as it seems even the police can't find any evidence? I'm minded of the pitchfork brigades who think that being homosexual means that adult men want to have sex with pre pubescent little boys. This is weird. Even creepy and perverse but it sounds more like some silly old man with mental issues making a fool of himself. Unless of course just dressing in school uniform constitutes a sexual offense in itself. If some of the people on this thread ever get called up to do jury service hopefully they will ask to be excused in case they find someone guilty of sex offending because they they used to be a Pediatrician...

Why don’t you read the thread? Read the links posted? Switch your brain on? That sort of thing? Are you really so painfully hard of thinking that you can’t see what the issue is here? It’s not us that people need worry about being on a jury. Please Lord let’s hope you and a few others here never get that call.

2023pending · 20/01/2023 13:34

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 13:32

He has the capacity to go uniform shopping and lie it's for his Grandaughter.

He has the capacity to make sure he’s in a girls uniform, to make sure he’s in a wig, to make sure he’s there when the children are getting on the bus, to lie about the purpose of the skirt and to make sure his uniform fits perfectly. 🤔

Itisbetter · 20/01/2023 13:35

I think rows of parents with umbrellas like shields so he can’t see the school and the children can’t see him. Don’t interact at all.

ChristmasCakeAndGin · 20/01/2023 13:35

As for the IKEA business I’ve decided it is no longer a place where I can safely take my children. Who wants their kids exposed to that shit!

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 13:36

The handmaidens and apologists seem to be emerging from their pits. Hold your positions ladies!

lemmein · 20/01/2023 13:36

But it’s not a crime to take photos of children if they are in a public place unfortunately (there was a thread about this a few months back).

If a man in your workplace decided he would like to come to work from now on in a school uniform and take pictures of his female colleagues you'd be fine with that? Or, if this same man was stood outside your workplace every day taking photos of you and your colleagues, then got on the same bus you wouldn't feel intimidated? Why should kids be ok with it?

If there really isn't a law which stops men from harassing children on a daily basis then there should be.

Police in my area move homeless people on for existing ffs!!

JudgeRudy · 20/01/2023 13:38

nolongersurprised · 20/01/2023 09:47

Well fetishism implies some sort of sexual kick and there's no evidence this is the case

So there’s no link between school girl uniforms and a sexual kick? Especially when worn by an older man?

you sweet summer child 🙄

If you continue to read the rest of my post that youre quoting, it's quite clear that I haven't said its not fetishm.

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