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To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

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crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 08:35

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

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LexMitior · 20/01/2023 12:22

No come on, I'm sure that most men are disgusted by this, the reason that the police are concerned about photo sharing is not because there will be pack of mothers or enraged women attacking this guy.

Good men are protective of their children. You get these kind of creeps hanging around playgrounds, and I have seen fathers tell them to leave. Yes the creeps make a fuss but they do go.

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 12:23

fUNNYfACE36 · 20/01/2023 12:22

..and witnessing that is not going to frighten children?

Who said the children would be there?

Naunet · 20/01/2023 12:24

crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 12:16

Sadly, it seems the dads here think it's a laugh and he's just a weirdo. It's the mums who are angry but been told, by the police, to pipe down about it and stop sharing the poor person's photo

Well of course. These men will side with other perverted men, they will put their dick first every fucking time, otherwise we wouldn’t be in the mess.

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 20/01/2023 12:24

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 12:12

Yes, the police have a responsibility to keep him safe, too.

Absolutely.

Nobody is being well served in this case.

fUNNYfACE36 · 20/01/2023 12:26

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 12:23

Who said the children would be there?

I thought that was the whole issue?

DisappearingGirl · 20/01/2023 12:26

Raquelos - I'm not sure what evidence you are after?

  • Evidence that he has already committed a sexual offence - I don't think there is any yet, thankfully

Evidence of inappropriate and antisocial behaviour - the fact that he is hanging around schools and on the school bus whilst wearing school uniform and a wig IS *the evidence. This is not appropriate and the police should be dealing with it. Otherwise there is a likelihood, based on data from previous cases, that this behaviour may escalate to a sexual offence. Even if it doesn't, the current behaviour is upsetting children and eroding their boundaries

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 12:28

fUNNYfACE36 · 20/01/2023 12:26

I thought that was the whole issue?

What are you talking about?

The person doesn't disappear into thin air when the children go home. The parents could wait till they have gone to have a word.

Justalittlebitduckling · 20/01/2023 12:28

Right?!

Whadda · 20/01/2023 12:29

Girls are really an afterthought, aren’t they?

This man is wearing a skirt, tights, and a black wig pulled into a ponytail while loitering outside a school, scaring children and angering adults, and police don’t care.

All the warning signs are there that something could go very wrong.

He’s being excused due to mental health issues but someone he’s absolved of responsibility for his own mental health, and children are taking the burden.

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 20/01/2023 12:29

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 12:28

What are you talking about?

The person doesn't disappear into thin air when the children go home. The parents could wait till they have gone to have a word.

No! They shouldn't. They should do nothing other than report his behaviour.

Vigilantism is ludicrous!

Ellie474747 · 20/01/2023 12:29

Seriously people, police have no powers if it does not meet a definition of a crime. Regardless what you think they should be doing if it's not a crime they legally can't act. Period!! You can probably bet they wish they could do something, they are human also. But what people don't realise they are only allowed to act within powers they have been given by the home office

what you will find they have done, is an extensive check on this person, if there was any Intel to suggest risk to children in past they would of been able to build a case for an order but if there isn't their hand are slightly tied.
But take away the oddness there is no law preventing someone wearing a uniform, and the police cannot prove their motive is perverted unless he clearly states this. There is also a chance it's not perverted and it's mental health related where this person wants to be a child.

The only way this would change is if the government introduce orders around protected building then the police can act. but it's also highly likely they are monitoring this person closely. It can't be classed as asb if he's just standing there.

As a parent I would be freaked out also. It's a messed up world.

stbrandonsboat · 20/01/2023 12:29

He's probably known to the police because he runs their diversity training sessions.

MyNameisMathilda · 20/01/2023 12:32

If I were a parent I think I would be "just generally talking" to this man whenever he shows and I would encourage other mothers and fathers to do so too. Let's see what he has to say for himself.

Thelnebriati · 20/01/2023 12:32

Well if its legal for him to stand around outside a school then it must also be legal for a Mum or two to do it as well.

It will be Mums, the Dads seem to think he's hilarious.

MyNameisMathilda · 20/01/2023 12:32

stbrandonsboat · 20/01/2023 12:29

He's probably known to the police because he runs their diversity training sessions.

He's probably the Chief Constable 😂

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 20/01/2023 12:33

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/award-sisters-child-rapist-kadian-nelson-mitcham-london-b1054033.html

This is the kind of thing that happens when women - girls actually in this case- are empowered to recognise patterns and listen to their gut feelings.

These incredible sisters rescued a girl from her rapist and would-be-kidnapper.

Mobile footage of the man shared on social media helped secure his arrest that evening.

This article doesn't mention the huge sharing of information across South London on WhatsApp which happened before school even started that day. The parents at my son's primary didn't let their kids walk in alone that day.

lemmein · 20/01/2023 12:34

This thread has been eye-opening.

I've noticed threads with trigger warnings about rape/DV being infiltrated by bad faith posters with the sole intention of chipping away at women's boundaries, derailing and mansplaining why we're worrying our pretty little heads about nothing - but I don't think I've seen it so starkly on a thread about safeguarding children. It's very concerning and I truly hope these posters are part of some weird incel group and not genuinely women/mums whose defences have been eroded so effectively that they see no harm defending a man's right to wear a girls uniform, and take photos of children on a school bus. The first scenario is predictable, the second is sad and frankly scary!

Naunet · 20/01/2023 12:35

Whadda · 20/01/2023 12:29

Girls are really an afterthought, aren’t they?

This man is wearing a skirt, tights, and a black wig pulled into a ponytail while loitering outside a school, scaring children and angering adults, and police don’t care.

All the warning signs are there that something could go very wrong.

He’s being excused due to mental health issues but someone he’s absolved of responsibility for his own mental health, and children are taking the burden.

Yep, lots of men believe women and girls exist purely for the entertainment of their dicks.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 20/01/2023 12:35

fUNNYfACE36 · 20/01/2023 12:21

What do you expect the police/schoolnto do? He us committing no crime and has in fact a protected characteristic?

Which protected characteristic would that be exactly @fUNNYfACE36?

And which protected characteristics provide an individual with carte blanche to loiter around various schools in their uniform and take photos of the children? Could someone in a wheelchair do it and it would be OK, or maybe a gay man? You do know that "protected characteristics" are relevant to discrimination, right? Nobody is discriminating against this individual. I've read some bollocks on mumsnet, but you really do take the biscuit.

YouJustDoYou · 20/01/2023 12:35

Fucking perv. Only a man would do this.

alchemies · 20/01/2023 12:37

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 11:44

Who the fuck are these posters defending him?

People dosed up on #bekind rainbow pills

stbrandonsboat · 20/01/2023 12:37

MyNameisMathilda · 20/01/2023 12:32

He's probably the Chief Constable 😂

Yeah, totally 🤦

The world has gone mad.

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 20/01/2023 12:38

Seriously people, police have no powers if it does not meet a definition of a crime. Regardless what you think they should be doing if it's not a crime they legally can't act. Period!!

FFS! Why do this?

alchemies · 20/01/2023 12:39

KAYMACK · 20/01/2023 11:46

People need to see past the uniform. It is the following schoolkids that is the important part.

The police need to say: we have noticed you are following schoolkids... how? because of what you wear...

Told this, the person might lose interest in wearing school uniform and the whole following thing...

Nope, don't need to see passed any facet of it. It's all part of the weirdness

crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 12:39

StarCourt · 20/01/2023 12:20

Nocutenamesleft
Could he be a dad who is trying to make his daughter laugh?!? Like why have you gone straight for sexual perv and fetish?!?

If this were the case why would he need uniforms from different schools??

I had missed this one.

I don't know one teenager who would find their dad coming to school dressed a girl funny. Mine is permanently mortified by our sheer presence in the same room.

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