To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

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Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

In terms of cross dressing and protected characteristics (e.g. trans umbrella), I think a bit of common sense is needed here. Off the top of my head here is a suggestion on a scale of okay to not okay:

• Cross dressing e.g. Male wearing a normal-length skirt: Fine
• Male wearing a short skirt: Fine at an adults club, not fine at a kids party, and make sure we can't see your bits
• Male wearing girls school uniform in public: Not okay
• Male wearing girls school uniform and hanging around schools/bus: Really not okay and the police should be telling him so

How often is this happening ? Has anyone spoke directly with him and asked him why he does it ? I agree with the police exposing photos and calling him perverse etc when he has done nothing at this stage is indeed inciting an incident to happen and some sort of militant parent to turn to violence .
For sure if it was someone trying to do something to children , it would not be this visible to everyone including law enforcement.
where I lived years ago we had this guy dressed as woman every weekend in the local market , he might seem eccentric but I’ve e the years he was just Cliff the guy with some choice outfits and he was completely harmless.

So you missed the link to the story about a man doing similar and the fact he was prosecuted then?

Harrassment must have an element of intention to cause (?) alarm or distress.

Intent is very hard to prove and, in this case, easy to defend if he's doing this for his own gratification. I think that would give rise to enough doubt for a jury to acquit.

Why can police act on non-crime hate incidents - the clue is in the name, not a crime - but they can’t act on non-crime creepy fuckery?

The police seem very selective on what non-crimes they take an interest in🤔.

@Naunet I thought he got an ASBO? ASBOs have been abolished except in Scotland.

He us committing no crime and has in fact a protected characteristic?

I'm also waiting to hear what protected characteristic this man has?

@inigomontoyahwillcox of course this man has a protected characteristic. It's sex, which we all have as we all have a sex (despite what non binary individuals may believe).

However, protected characteristics aren't relevant here because he's not being discriminated against or being treated less favourably than a woman in this situation. Just let's not go there.

I agree.

If he just wants to hang around places, he should choose anywhere else but a school.

MyNameisMathilda · Today 12:32
stbrandonsboat · Today 12:29
He's probably known to the police because he runs their diversity training sessions.

He's probably the Chief Constable

What! You're talking about Essex, only the best😜

They are aren't they 🤔
This is definitely not okay and if the police won't do anything I would definitely be rallying the parents to take as action - that'll get the police involved no doubt!

Apparently he’s doing it because of issues in his childhood. Which looks like he’s had 30+ years to resolve. Also quite strange how dressing as a teenage and young schoolgirl affirms his inner child, growing up male. Fucking dirty pig I hope no child or parent ends up hurt through this sicko

I'm also waiting to hear what protected characteristic this man has?

Possibilities include:

Serving police officer
Ex serving police officer
Friend of first two
Man
“Most oppressed group in society”

I know everyone has protected characteristics - but I was waiting to hear which protected characteristic allows him to behave as he currently is.

As you said, and as I said, protected characteristics are to do with discrimination and thus not relevant.

Oh look, another one where the police took action:

https://www.victoriabuzz.com/2022/04/46-year-old-man-arrested-after-following-students-and-loitering-outside-oak-bay-high-school/

Plenty of men who go on to commit serious sexual crimes had 'issues in their childhood'

I think at few big manly Dads should be organized to get on the bus and sit next to him. That may well deter him.

For sure if it was someone trying to do something to children , it would not be this visible to everyone including law enforcement.

@Wiluli

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8090799/amp/Lonely-man-64-avoids-jail-sexually-assaulting-schoolgirl-14.html

There us no law against taking photos of children in a public place, there is no law against standing outside a school.

The Equality Act says that you must not be discriminated against because:

......

someone thinks you are transsexual, for example because you occasionally cross-dress or are gender variant (this is known as discrimination by perception)

Not saying I agree with what he is doing, just pointing out what the law is

Maybe someone could catch him praying ? That'll bring the rozzers out.

Thats awful @BloodAndFire but I think an insight to where this is going. Transage is already a thing on reddit and look at how many males who identify as transgender talk about their girlhood or their puberty etc. Perhaps one day our daughters will be called bigots for not recognising some old man as a fellow transteen?

I have a little experience of the fetish and kink scene from live performances involving suspension and other needle play plus freak show etc.

What I can categorically state is there are adult clubs and forums freely available to individuals who either just "enjoy" it all or are indeed "working through issues" .

I don't pretend to fully understand it all, and nor do I judge.

BUT - big BUT - the key thing about the circles I have moved in revolves around consent and secrecy (which is often a big part of the thrill).

Most "players" absolutely separate their public persona and behaviour from their private affairs. And all that I have known, and had conversations with express absolute horror at the thought of the under age being privy to their expressly adult experiences.

So I feel I can safely say this outside school dressing up malarkey

No one is suggesting locking him up or arresting him or even labelling him as a fetishist. All that needs to happen is for him to be stopped from loitering around schools. If he wants to wear school uniform in the privacy of his own home then that's up to him.

Yep.
Or maybe if he puts up a few stickers.

The sheer hypocrisy of the police is sickening; he’s ok to go about his business, but people that are upset are ‘advised not to share photos’. Why is one (the one displaying this disturbing behaviour) ok’d by them yet people reacting quite legally to this at best inflammatory behaviour are ‘advised’ not to. Is this not abuse of power?