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To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

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crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 08:35

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

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SmartHome · 20/01/2023 11:54

Nocutenamesleft · 20/01/2023 10:17

Could he be a dad who is trying to make his daughter laugh?!? Like why have you gone straight for sexual perv and fetish?!?

Oh COME THE F ON!

Any father behaving like that also needs an effing hard drive check. Anyone defending this is either stupid or trying to normalise predatory fetishistic behaviour for their own agenda ..

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2023 11:55

A man with a cross dressing fetish who requires the presence of, or to be in sight of school children while he’s carrying out his cross dressing fetish is a sexual predator by those actions alone. He’s involving children in his sexual fetish. They can’t consent, because they’re children. Even if those children are not physically harmed, or even aware of what’s going on, they’re still being used for his sexual fetish.

I don’t trust anyone in real life or posting here who does not see that.

omnitea · 20/01/2023 11:55

mynameisbrian · 20/01/2023 11:53

He has probably got him self a Gender Recognition certificate stating he is now a woman. Therefore no-one can do anything and he can skip round in a kids uniform. Funny enough that out of those blokes who get the certificate only 1% go on to surgery to complete the process. Anyway I digress

LOL, if they got the surgery they wouldn't be able to enjoy all those AGP boners now would they! Women my fucking arse!

BloodAndFire · 20/01/2023 11:56

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Then your husband would be arrested. Terrible for him, you, your children. It's really shit that people are being put in this position. The police are responsible and they are encouraging vigilantism by allowing it to continue.

Raquelos · 20/01/2023 11:57

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 11:49

I'm not against people being different.

This is not just about being different. He is doing something that shouts ''Peadophile!''. He may be completely innocent but I'd say almost 100% men with a sound mind knows this would piss the parents off, cause them concern and most likely freak the children out.

Yeah it's not that I disagree with the sentiment that this is a matter that should cause some concern. I just really don't think the paedogeddon approach is very useful.

The focus on the cross-dressing as the issue and the easy claims that vigilante violence is the answer really don't sit well with me at all.

lemmein · 20/01/2023 11:57

I don't understand how the police can say this man is no risk. How on earth can they know that?

I wouldn't even say that about people in my circle that I know and love - you have no idea what other people are capable of. Such an odd thing for them to say. I bet none of them would let him babysit though 🙄

I truly hope that doesn't come back to bite them.

Baggyjumper · 20/01/2023 11:58

If the police are too busy being kind and inclusive to be able to protect children, what about others who have a responsibility to those families? What do the school governors say? What legal advice have they been given? If they haven't taken legal advice yet, why not? What do the local councillors and MP say? If I had a child at the school, or even just lived in the local area, I would be contacting every one of the governors, councillors and MP, and chasing up if I didn't get a reply within a few days.

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 20/01/2023 11:58

Raquelos · 20/01/2023 11:47

I'd be obliged if you could outline what the evidence is, preferably without the name-calling. If you can't, or don't have time, that's okay, no need to get het up over it, just say so.

Really? You want the whole of Jimmy Saville's career to be recounted

Maybe some Ian Hunt thrown into the mix.

What about Joseph Alan Goddard, to specifically add the transgender element to the more usual morally decrepit men?

A 2017 research finding that 41% of trans identifying males are sex offenders and the 2022 finding that 42% of trans identifying male prisoners are also sex offender, treble that rate of all other men in prison.

Men... the cohort that are the most violent, the sex offenders, the paedophiles in our midst. And yes, decades of research show that their behaviour escalates. Reams and reams of it. Google shall provide!

LexMitior · 20/01/2023 11:59

It's not a new issue. In some areas, the gates and fencing is blocked off to deal with men like this so that the children cannot see and equally cannot be seen from outside the school. If they can't be seen, men like these seem to not be able to enjoy what they are doing. No audience, no watching, no excitement.

Clymene · 20/01/2023 11:59

Grin Samphire

mirax · 20/01/2023 11:59

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MyNameisMathilda · 20/01/2023 12:00

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2023 11:55

A man with a cross dressing fetish who requires the presence of, or to be in sight of school children while he’s carrying out his cross dressing fetish is a sexual predator by those actions alone. He’s involving children in his sexual fetish. They can’t consent, because they’re children. Even if those children are not physically harmed, or even aware of what’s going on, they’re still being used for his sexual fetish.

I don’t trust anyone in real life or posting here who does not see that.

Spot on.

JayniSummers · 20/01/2023 12:00

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 20/01/2023 09:21

Nothing will be done about this man as he will come under the magic trans rights umbrella.

Then when he moves up to flashing or trying to touch the kids, he will magically either not be a 'real' or 'true' trans person or will be, but it will be just one bad apple and definitely not a reason to make anyone else change their behaviour and not allow adult men to flaunt their sexual fetishes in public.

Because pervy men's rights to get off are ALWAYS put first.

Welcome to Stonewall World.

Unfortunately I agree with a lot of previous posters - a kicking from a few large angry dads is about all that's going to work.

This. 100% this

hadntbeen · 20/01/2023 12:00

Extremely disgusting and disturbing yes.

AgathaMystery · 20/01/2023 12:01

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2023 11:55

A man with a cross dressing fetish who requires the presence of, or to be in sight of school children while he’s carrying out his cross dressing fetish is a sexual predator by those actions alone. He’s involving children in his sexual fetish. They can’t consent, because they’re children. Even if those children are not physically harmed, or even aware of what’s going on, they’re still being used for his sexual fetish.

I don’t trust anyone in real life or posting here who does not see that.

This.

I would also except the school to call the police each time this happens simply to use up time so the police become sick of moving him on.

hadntbeen · 20/01/2023 12:01

YellowAndGreenToBeSeen · 20/01/2023 08:45

I would be raising hell with the school head and governors. It’s not a fashion choice, it’s a fetish and he is getting off standing there.

Same

HootyMcboob76 · 20/01/2023 12:01

Baggyjumper · 20/01/2023 11:58

If the police are too busy being kind and inclusive to be able to protect children, what about others who have a responsibility to those families? What do the school governors say? What legal advice have they been given? If they haven't taken legal advice yet, why not? What do the local councillors and MP say? If I had a child at the school, or even just lived in the local area, I would be contacting every one of the governors, councillors and MP, and chasing up if I didn't get a reply within a few days.

I wouldn't place any hope in the school board either.
Let's face it, in a world where an ACTUAL TEACHER can turn up to teach their class with giant fake breasts with erect nipples ON THE SCHOOL GROUNDS and force their pupils to be an unwilling part of their fetish (whether it's some kind of protest from them or not is irrelevant), and they are PROTECTED by the school to do so, there is no chance that someone outside doing a similar thing will be admonished in any way.

That's the situation we have created.

FancyPantsy · 20/01/2023 12:01

Oh FFS, if Grayson Perry was hanging around outside my daughters school in her uniform, yes I would have a problem with it. This is allowing adult males to play out their sexual fetishes in public, and involving children as spectators for their voyeurism. At the very least it must be outraging public decency?!

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 20/01/2023 12:02

I don't understand how the police can say this man is no risk. How on earth can they know that?

Birds of a feather innit. We know the force is full of paedos, rapists, sexual offenders, wife beaters, animal abusers...
(Apologies to the good police officers, of which my father was one years ago - he'd be turning in his bloody grave).

BlossomOfOrange · 20/01/2023 12:02

At best it’s intimidating.

And if a kid walked around out of school/in their own time wearing a head teacher kit/uniform (they exist in some fee paying schools, don’t they?) near to other teachers, I wonder how long they’d be able to before someone told them not to.

BloodAndFire · 20/01/2023 12:02

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That poster has spent the entire morning on this thread justifying this obvious pervert's harassment and intimidation of children through his blatant fetishistic behaviour directed at school children.

They have ignored all responses to their questions, twisted others' words, pretended that posters have said things they didn't, and all in the interests of defending this obviously, in reality, indefensible behaviour.

Cui bono?

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 12:02

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2023 11:55

A man with a cross dressing fetish who requires the presence of, or to be in sight of school children while he’s carrying out his cross dressing fetish is a sexual predator by those actions alone. He’s involving children in his sexual fetish. They can’t consent, because they’re children. Even if those children are not physically harmed, or even aware of what’s going on, they’re still being used for his sexual fetish.

I don’t trust anyone in real life or posting here who does not see that.

All of this. If you aren’t condemning this man’s actions, I am very concerned about who and what you may be.

AdventFridgeOfShame · 20/01/2023 12:03

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 10:22

How do the police know he's not a risk - so they gave a crystal ball ?

He's probably an ex or maybe even a serving policeman.

Raquelos · 20/01/2023 12:03

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 11:50

Go back a couple of pages, another poster is shared information about things this man has done. I’ll get het up about sexual predators targeting children any day of the week hen. What equally riles me is the apologists and creeps that defend them or try to brush away a woman’s correct instincts with a ‘nothing to see here’. Go abs try it somewhere else. Me and my hypothetical pitchfork are going nowhere.

Thanks I'll have a look and see what I can find although the speed this thread is moving makes it a bit of a challenge!

I misspoke, I should have said no need to get het up with me.

The irony is that on a different thread you and I will be in agreement about the attempts to close down women voicing their concerns and instincts, but instincts aren't a sufficient reason for a lynch mob and that is where we may part company on this thread.

JonSnowedUnder · 20/01/2023 12:03

Jesus. Of course he's a risk, how many times do we look back on awful crimes to find the perpetrator had been building up to it. As far as I'm concerned a man dressed as a school girl and loitering outside a school is a pervert.

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