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To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

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crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 08:35

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

OP posts:
Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 11:15

Let me guess louiselouiselouise, they’re asking for it? Silly tarts with their short skirts.

You are a disgrace. This man couldn’t give a fuck what they’re wearing. He is turned on acting out his sexual fetish in front of children. Stop victim blaming children.

SammyScrounge · 20/01/2023 11:16

GoAgainstNicki · 20/01/2023 08:53

That’s weird and creepy as fuck but what are the police actually supposed to do? It’s not against the law to dress a certain way and stand outside of a school. I guess if they were to arrest him, there’s legally nothing they can actually arrest him for?

It isn't legal to photograph children without consent.
What does he do with the photos?

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 11:16

The fact is that someone is hanging around a school, getting on a bus with school children and taking photos of them - bombard police, school head and governors, local MP and council children's safeguarding department about it

Dubonet · 20/01/2023 11:16

YellowAndGreenToBeSeen · 20/01/2023 08:45

I would be raising hell with the school head and governors. It’s not a fashion choice, it’s a fetish and he is getting off standing there.

What do you expect the school to do?!

MeinKraft · 20/01/2023 11:16

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So you're saying it's the schoolgirls fault this creep is getting his jollies standing outside in school uniform? 🤯

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 11:17

louiselouiselouise you are possibly one of the worst posters I have ever encountered on here. Shame on you. Calling schoolgirls hookers? Vile.

StrawberryWater · 20/01/2023 11:17

inigomontoyahwillcox · 20/01/2023 11:03

I can just imagine the headlines in a few months - "warning signs were missed and Essex Police have 'learnt lessons'".

FFS - if there was a man in male clothing loitering around schools he'd be moved on in a heartbeat.

My exact thoughts.

It’s a disaster waiting to happen.

If not with this guy then with someone else encouraged by the fact the law is on his side which he’ll use as an opportunity.

And even if there isn’t anything nefarious going on with these people they still need to be moved for their own protection.

OvaHere · 20/01/2023 11:17

'Most important question first
What is it you fear? I'm presuming this is around children's safety so what do you think he's going to do?'

I think he will escalate into the sexual assault of a child, most likely a girl.

Is that plain enough for you?

Insertusernamehere123 · 20/01/2023 11:18

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No way you just typed that. Jesus fucking christ.

MrsMontyD · 20/01/2023 11:18

At my old school the older boys would have dealt with him never mind the dads. One of the teachers had his collar bone broken for touching someone's younger sister.

Is he only doing this at all girls schools?

Cheekymaw · 20/01/2023 11:18

What's the schools' saying about him hanging about? I bet they aren't exactly pleased. Or have they been Stonewalled too? We are living in a sick state of affairs. I fell out with my brother at Christmas over DragQueen story Time. Him and his wife don't have children and were giving it big sob stories about the poor wee drag queen who had been subjected to protests for "just wanting to tell stories to wee yins". Aye righto.
Always drag bloody queens . Never lesbians eh ? Dodgy as. He called me a Nazi. I'm a Nazi for seeing more red flags than Moscow in May.

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 11:18

I've just googled it it isn't illegal to take photos and videos of children but it IS illegal to share them

rizzo999 · 20/01/2023 11:19

This should surely be an issue even if he wasn't dressed in school uniform. Any grown man hanging around schools and taking photos of school kids should be stopped, regardless of his clothes. It's stalking and harassment, and is therefore creepy and potentially dangerous, end of.

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 11:19

In UK

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 20/01/2023 11:19

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Fuck off did you just blame school girls for wearing short skirts??????

Jesus fucking Christ.

DameHelena · 20/01/2023 11:19

I know you're writing to you MP, OP. I'd do that too, and I'd also contact the school governors. I'd ask them both to look very closely into the law around a non-parent/school-affiliated adult regularly presenting at school at hometime and taking the bus with pupils and of taking pictures of pupils.

I agree with pps that quite possibly he has a learning disability. I'm not saying that's an excuse but I do wonder if he is getting the support he needs.

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 11:19

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 11:15

Let me guess louiselouiselouise, they’re asking for it? Silly tarts with their short skirts.

You are a disgrace. This man couldn’t give a fuck what they’re wearing. He is turned on acting out his sexual fetish in front of children. Stop victim blaming children.

I can't believe what I have just read.

@louiselouiselouise Get a fucking grip!

omnitea · 20/01/2023 11:19

No its not ok, this is obviously some kind of sexually motivated fetish and by hanging about outside a school he is getting off on indirectly involving children in his fantasies. If he gets away with this then what will he do next if he is emboldened by the police saying its ok? It seems these days that men's demands to express and enact their sexual fantasies and freedoms trumps women and children's dignity. Revelations about the police and the actions of the force that have come to light in recent years and weeks doesn't instill me with great confidence that they are actually the right people to protect women in children as it looks like they do not much care about the safety of those vulnerable groups. I so disgusted by the police and the politicians of this country at present.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 20/01/2023 11:19

crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 08:50

Local paper article here:

www.echo-news.co.uk/news/23263206.man-wearing-belfairs-academy-uniform-not-risk-police-say/?fbclid=IwAR1wMht18gmHNsbAyLf-FmczLuOD0Y8wLUonFRgsRDJcq-Jr8i2GKHFA4rM

The photos are still on the school uniform shop Facebook but I won't share for obvious reasons.

So they’re not going to stop him doing it but they want people to stop talking about it?

Just another massive fail from a UK police force.

How can they say he’s not a risk? He’s already causing harm, parading his fetish in front of school children.

They don’t give a shit about safeguarding, do they.

LakieLady · 20/01/2023 11:20

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 10:18

Isn't this classed as loitering with intent?

Intent to what, though? I think there has be an obvious intent to commit a particular offence, and that it has to be specified, eg intent to rob.

I'd have thought it conceivable that a public order offence may be being committed, the one about behaving in a way that would cause "harrassment, alarm or distress" or something similar. Going by the reactions on here, it's pretty clear that this is giving rise to a lot of alarm.

JudgeRudy · 20/01/2023 11:20

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2023 10:57

On these sorts of threads people always bring up the “most danger from people we know” thing.

Yes it’s true: most children are abused by a family member. But it doesn’t mean we can’t address stranger creeps at the same bloody time, does it?

And as in my previous post, it provides the opportunity to point out to children that adults are there to protect them from this sort of behaviour, gives children the opportunity to disclose creepy behaviour from strangers and their enablers, and sets a tone in society that puts paedophiles on notice for their behaviour.

Instead they’re grooming society to make out their “oppressed” and “haven’t committed a crime” and deserve sympathy. I’ll never forget the story of one paedophile who said it didn’t matter if he didn’t his chance with a kid, because he was softening things up for the next guy.

It’s all one big sick community and addressing the obvious helps tackle the hidden.

I asked this early and its a genuine question. What are you fearful of? That's the bit I don't understand. Do you think he's going to expose himself? Touch someone? Groom someone? I'm not aware of a link between cross dressing and child sexual abuse.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 11:21

JudgeRudy · 20/01/2023 11:20

I asked this early and its a genuine question. What are you fearful of? That's the bit I don't understand. Do you think he's going to expose himself? Touch someone? Groom someone? I'm not aware of a link between cross dressing and child sexual abuse.

I answered that point and you chose to ignore it.

Lurkinginthemnshadows · 20/01/2023 11:21

I live in a very rough area where the bloke would be put in hospital. They'd have carted him off Beauty and the Beast village mob style.

I can't believe what I've read though. So so weird.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 20/01/2023 11:21

Just realised that one of the schools he is frequenting is my 14yo Dniece's school. Livid doesn't come close. Yet again girls are being shown that their safety and welfare plays second fiddle to that of men.

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