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To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

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crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 08:35

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 20/01/2023 11:03

I can just imagine the headlines in a few months - "warning signs were missed and Essex Police have 'learnt lessons'".

FFS - if there was a man in male clothing loitering around schools he'd be moved on in a heartbeat.

Dentistlakes · 20/01/2023 11:03

Very bizarre and concerning behaviour. If he was simply wanting to wear the uniform, he would do it at home, not make a point of standing outside a school. He clearly has intent to be seen by the children for whatever reason.

The police need to move him on asap.

StarCourt · 20/01/2023 11:04

@TabithaTittlemouse couldn't agree more

OvaHere · 20/01/2023 11:04

JudgeRudy · 20/01/2023 09:27

Whilst I agree it's unusual behaviour he hasn't done anything wrong. I'm assuming there's no danger he could be mistaken for a school child and somehow infiltrate the school.
Is he at your school? Does he have multiple uniforms? What is it that you're concerned about? Why do you automatically assume it's fetishism...and what if it was. Is there any indication that the kids are in danger? Would you feel the same if it was Dylan Mulvaney, Grayson Perry or me?
Surely the answer is to educate the children that people are different, but to recognise eg signs of grooming.
He's doing nothing illegal or immoral in my eyes.

Fucking hell!!! This response.

Why do you automatically assume it's fetishism...and what if it was. Is there any indication that the kids are in danger? Would you feel the same if it was Dylan Mulvaney, Grayson Perry or me?

Yes I would absolutely feel the same.

Surely the answer is to educate the children that people are different, but to recognise eg signs of grooming.

This is grooming. It's grooming children (and society at large) that we are no allowed to have any boundaries re the sexual fetishes of others (mostly men).

Pumpkin20222 · 20/01/2023 11:04

It is surprising no law is being broken, particularly if the adult dressed as a pupil is following students and taking pictures. It sounds like it could be Harassment (stalking), particularly if it causes anxiety and disruption to the pupils, though I am not familiar with the current UK law for this. If so, could a restraining order be sought.

Itisbetter · 20/01/2023 11:05

I think the parents should all turn up and stand in between him and the school. Don’t talk to him don’t threaten him just put yourselves in between him and your children. Don’t be kind take action.

ShakespearesBlister · 20/01/2023 11:05

Westfacing · 20/01/2023 08:47

Maybe one of the local dads could have a word with him?

You do understand what sex offending is?

Paq · 20/01/2023 11:06

I don't think women trust the police's judgement on what it takes to keep women and girls safe.

I think that members of the community, in a totally legal way, could band together and make this man feel very uncomfortable about the choices he's making, and encourage him to reconsider.

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 20/01/2023 11:07

There have always been weirdos and pervs about (I remember them hanging around my school) but don't remember anyone being told we had to be fucking kind to them.

We were taught to 'kick them where it hurts' if any perverts came near us as kids. Now they're told to be kind and don't invalidate his (sorry HER!) truth. Makes me sick to my stomach😡

SomethingOriginal2 · 20/01/2023 11:07

Tbh if he was just going shopping dressed like that it wouldn't bother me so much.

It bothers me about as equally as if a man dressed in jeans and a jumper was hanging round kids, taking pictures of them and lingering around their schools. He's taken a particular interest in children. How is that not a threat?

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 20/01/2023 11:07

OvaHere · 20/01/2023 11:04

Fucking hell!!! This response.

Why do you automatically assume it's fetishism...and what if it was. Is there any indication that the kids are in danger? Would you feel the same if it was Dylan Mulvaney, Grayson Perry or me?

Yes I would absolutely feel the same.

Surely the answer is to educate the children that people are different, but to recognise eg signs of grooming.

This is grooming. It's grooming children (and society at large) that we are no allowed to have any boundaries re the sexual fetishes of others (mostly men).

Grayson Perry IS a fetishist! An 'unapologetic fetishist'.

His words.

Leadbypencils · 20/01/2023 11:08

If the police do nothing regarding this, then others in his "network" will appear outside a school near you soon enough.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 11:08

ShakespearesBlister · 20/01/2023 11:05

You do understand what sex offending is?

Yes. It’s where you are so fucking disgusting, you enrage people so badly, that when it comes to your safety, all bets are off. That’s why they are kept apart from the general prison population. Because most people see them for the human scum that they are.

ShakespearesBlister · 20/01/2023 11:08

Oops wrong quote 😃 someone said it was sex offending. Just trying to understand that reach?

SomethingOriginal2 · 20/01/2023 11:09

I would be banding together with parents and patrolling the kids going too and from school. Make it clear he's not welcome. There's a lot of kids, therefore a lot of parents, it could be doable.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 11:09

ShakespearesBlister · 20/01/2023 11:08

Oops wrong quote 😃 someone said it was sex offending. Just trying to understand that reach?

It’s not a reach. It’s a fact. He is standing there in a school uniform because he is getting off on it. He has a sexual fetish and he enjoys indulging it in public. In front of children. Educate yourself. Open your eyes. Follow your gut. Don’t listen to word salad rubbish.

Helen901 · 20/01/2023 11:09

I wonder if the police should investigate his internet activity/home pc to check he doesnt pose a danger. The behaviour is odd. We had a sex offender trying to get into out school. Police had to get involved

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2023 11:10

Dylan Mulvaney, Grayson Perry

Dylan Mulvaney is creepy as fuck, and Grayson Perry admitted in a Guardian article that dressing as a woman used to give him a “stiffy” and the only thing that stops that now is his age.

Does he still find it sexually exciting? “Oh yes,” he shouts excitedly. “Yeah!” But there is a problem, he says, with being a very public tranny. You mean, you couldn’t be seen at the Royal Academy in a nice frock and a stiffy? He nods enthusiastically. “You couldn’t do it. If I could manage it, I’m sure I’d be thinking how to do it. But I can’t.” He pauses. “My days of a spontaneous erection are long gone, anyway,” he adds a little sadly.

So yes, if either of them was outside of a school I would be just as concerned.

BlackForestCake · 20/01/2023 11:11

Why do you automatically assume it's fetishism

I'm wondering what other reasons there are for men in their 60s to dress as schoolgirls. I’m sure I’ll be able to think of plenty.

Um...

Er....

Clymene · 20/01/2023 11:12

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2023 11:10

Dylan Mulvaney, Grayson Perry

Dylan Mulvaney is creepy as fuck, and Grayson Perry admitted in a Guardian article that dressing as a woman used to give him a “stiffy” and the only thing that stops that now is his age.

Does he still find it sexually exciting? “Oh yes,” he shouts excitedly. “Yeah!” But there is a problem, he says, with being a very public tranny. You mean, you couldn’t be seen at the Royal Academy in a nice frock and a stiffy? He nods enthusiastically. “You couldn’t do it. If I could manage it, I’m sure I’d be thinking how to do it. But I can’t.” He pauses. “My days of a spontaneous erection are long gone, anyway,” he adds a little sadly.

So yes, if either of them was outside of a school I would be just as concerned.

Grayson Perry has dressed as his little girl alter ego, Claire, when visiting schools.

And that's all I'm going to say on that matter.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 20/01/2023 11:12

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 20/01/2023 11:12

Plain 'sight', even

louiselouiselouise · 20/01/2023 11:14

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ButterCrackers · 20/01/2023 11:15

I’d confront him and ask him why he is dressed as a school pupil and standing out side a school. I’d then call the police.

LangClegsInSpace · 20/01/2023 11:15

For thos saying there is nothing the police can do:

In 2008 a man was given an ASBO for exactly this behaviour:

arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/12/man-dressed-in-britney-spears.html

A 59-year-old man who dresses as a schoolgirl has been given an antisocial behaviour order by Northampton Magistrates Court.

For more than a year Peter Trigger of Farnden Close in Thorplands has been dressing as a schoolgirl and hanging around near a primary school when children are on their way to and from school, following children and behaving in an inappropriate manner.

Civil injunctions, CPNs and CBOs replaced Antisocial Behaviour Orders (ASBOs) in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

www.gov.uk/civil-injunctions-criminal-behaviour-orders

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