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To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

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crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 08:35

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

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MeinKraft · 20/01/2023 10:52

One of the uniforms he is wearing is a primary school uniform. There have always been weirdos and pervs about (I remember them hanging around my school) but don't remember anyone being told we had to be fucking kind to them.

Oblomov22 · 20/01/2023 10:52

Makes me cringe. He went to the trouble of purchasing school uniforms that fit him physically?

Beachsidesunset · 20/01/2023 10:52

He's been banned from the school uniform shop for lying about buying the clothes for his granddaughter. Revolting man.

SauSest · 20/01/2023 10:52

Just keep reporting to police. Every. Single. Day. And encourage others to do so to. They'll soon get fed up and take steps to move him on.
To be honest I would report someone hanging around outside a school regularly whatever they were wearing.

lemmein · 20/01/2023 10:53

*What are people so afraid of these days? Something underhand exists in the echelons of our society and I for one can’t wait for it to be exposed.

This. There's a very sinister vibe to it all.

What do you mean?*

@RitasR I mean there appears to be a very carefully orchestrated attack on women and children's boundaries. There is no way this would've been tolerated even 5 years ago - but we've got to the point where a man's 'right' to wear a child's uniform and loiter around schools is being minimised, even on a parenting site with mainly female posters. It's insidious.

nolongersurprised · 20/01/2023 10:53

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 10:50

Yes frosty1000 it's the fact he's hanging around a school not what he's wearing that is the worry

No, he is an adult man, dressed as a school girl, hanging around a school.

What he’s wearing is highly relevant. He’s getting a kick from his fucked up school girl fetish, in plain sight, amongst actual school children.

RitasR · 20/01/2023 10:54

He appears to be testing the waters, to see how society and the police/schools react.

Not just him. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't have a rather supportive online network. The fact that he is drawing this much attention, wearing so many different uniforms, he and his likeminded friends are looking for publicity.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 20/01/2023 10:54

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 10:50

Yes frosty1000 it's the fact he's hanging around a school not what he's wearing that is the worry

It's both. But when you put them together, standing outside a school WHILST wearing what he's wearing is about as big a warning flag as it's possible to receive.

This is what happens when you normalize this shit. Now, the police are not only ignoring it but seem to be actively endorsing it. When you consider the types hiding within their ranks, it's pretty obvious who is being protected and who is being thrown to the wolves.

Feminists have been warning for a decade what would happen when the boundaries are chipped away at, bit-by-bit. This is why the drag queen storytellers received such a backlash, whereas some 15 years ago that might not have happened. It's making people much more aware.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 20/01/2023 10:54

Jesus fucking Christ

I am so embarrassed that my generation have allowed this shit to permeate its way into normal life.

I really couldn’t care less if he wants to do this in his own bedroom. But taking it onto a school bus is ridiculous. He is involving children in his fetish against their will. Just like the Canadian teacher with the ZZZ prosthetic breasts the children are telling everyone and anyone that they are uncomfortable with this in the loudest possible manner they can by sharing photos on social media. He is already abusing these kids and the police are doing fuck all because they know he is safely under the Stonewall umbrella’s protection. One sad man’s fetish trumps a community’s right to safety, tell me that isn’t privilege.

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 20/01/2023 10:55

Chersfrozenface · 20/01/2023 10:41

Please, people, don't encourage the dads to do anything to this pervert.

Because it'll be the dads who get prosecuted.

And if he claims to be transgender (there is one report of someone speaking to him on a bus and his replying that he is transgender), then the dads will be treated even more harshly as any offence will be treated as a hate crime.

This could be the case even if they just spoke to him.

Maybe the Dads could wear dresses and lipstick then the police wouldn't touch them? 🤔

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 10:56

Beachsidesunset · 20/01/2023 10:52

He's been banned from the school uniform shop for lying about buying the clothes for his granddaughter. Revolting man.

The lies suggest how well versed this man is in manipulation. He knows exactly what he is doing. For anyone in doubt, type ‘Michael Wilson school hull’ into Google. If anyone still thinks this bullshit is acceptable they need locking up with him and all the other weirdos.

Helleofabore · 20/01/2023 10:57

"He's hanging around a school, FFS. What more warning do they need?"

Hanging around a school. How worrying for those kids.

There is clearly plenty to start with just there.

OrlandointheWilderness · 20/01/2023 10:57

Blimey, if he'd done that outside my old secondary he would've been torn to shreds by the mouthy kids there! 😂

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2023 10:57

JudgeRudy · 20/01/2023 10:48

Yes, some people don't have such a 'strong' threat response but in the examples I've given, the first one is a certainty for harm, the second is statistically much higher than a man in an odd man in a dress. Most direct danger however is from people we know.

On these sorts of threads people always bring up the “most danger from people we know” thing.

Yes it’s true: most children are abused by a family member. But it doesn’t mean we can’t address stranger creeps at the same bloody time, does it?

And as in my previous post, it provides the opportunity to point out to children that adults are there to protect them from this sort of behaviour, gives children the opportunity to disclose creepy behaviour from strangers and their enablers, and sets a tone in society that puts paedophiles on notice for their behaviour.

Instead they’re grooming society to make out their “oppressed” and “haven’t committed a crime” and deserve sympathy. I’ll never forget the story of one paedophile who said it didn’t matter if he didn’t his chance with a kid, because he was softening things up for the next guy.

It’s all one big sick community and addressing the obvious helps tackle the hidden.

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 10:57

Alchemies I wasn't minimising you'll see that if you read all my posts what I meant was what is his intent being outside a school that is the worry

ferretface · 20/01/2023 10:58

Disgusting. How many red flags do you need. Clearly someone getting off on making girls uncomfortable.

Chersfrozenface · 20/01/2023 10:59

Oblomov22 · 20/01/2023 10:52

Makes me cringe. He went to the trouble of purchasing school uniforms that fit him physically?

If he's not too bulky the waist of a skirt would fit - the local school uniform shop round here sells school skirts up to size 16 so 33/34 inch waist.

And if the skirt is too short - well, all the better, surely, from his point of view.

crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 10:59

DarkShade · 20/01/2023 10:40

Ok, so I guess if the police are being useless, what we need is probably more social pressure and more exposure (on the story, please God not of the other sort). If we all wrote to the MP of the area it could show her that this is something to take seriously.

MP seems to be Anna Firt: members.parliament.uk/member/4936/contact

Have I got the location right, @crinklemum2 ? And is this something you would want?

Yes, it is Anna Firth. I am writing to her later- am at work today else it's already be with her!

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 20/01/2023 10:59

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 20/01/2023 10:55

Maybe the Dads could wear dresses and lipstick then the police wouldn't touch them? 🤔

IF it's the case that he has been telling people he's transgender, then this is proof-positive of something else feminists have warned about (and common-sense would tell anyone was inevitable in any event).

Trans gender is now being used as a get-out-of-jail free card for men who want to parade their fetishes and foist them on the general public/insinuate themselves into what were women's protected spaces.

Predatory men WILL take advantage. And are already doing so (cf. the women's spa in the states).

Now children are the collateral damage.

I'm seeing red mist this morning.

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 20/01/2023 11:00

Remember, this man can follow the school girls right into the women's toilets and changing rooms.
No one is allowed to object without being called a bigot/nazi/transphobic (whether or not he actually is trans), and it's quite likely that if the girls did complain, they would be told to stop harassing him.
Think about what you're advocating for when you say you have no problem with males (however they identify) entering women's spaces.
This is where it leads and it's just the beginning.

DesertIslandCondiment · 20/01/2023 11:00

JudgeRudy · 20/01/2023 10:48

Yes, some people don't have such a 'strong' threat response but in the examples I've given, the first one is a certainty for harm, the second is statistically much higher than a man in an odd man in a dress. Most direct danger however is from people we know.

Do you believe this man should be left to carry on what he is doing then?

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 11:01

When weirdos were hanging around schools in our area in cars the police notified all the schools in the area and the head told us the parents

MichelleScarn · 20/01/2023 11:01

Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

But....but.. if his loitering outside the schools, dressing as he is and taking photos and climbing the school gates is all fine, what's wrong with the photos being shared? If they're not showing him doing anything wrong or harmful wheres the danger?
It's a steaming pile of shit!

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 11:01

JudgeRudy · 20/01/2023 10:48

Yes, some people don't have such a 'strong' threat response but in the examples I've given, the first one is a certainty for harm, the second is statistically much higher than a man in an odd man in a dress. Most direct danger however is from people we know.

It’s interesting that you didn’t reply to the points I made about why this man is dangerous and why he is a problem. Google Michael Wilson from Hull. Educate yourself. Put women and childrens rights before perverted mens sexual fetishes. Do you have children?

RitasR · 20/01/2023 11:02

Someone in that community will know him. Is he using an over 60s free bus pass? If yes, that comes with conditions of conduct attached, maybe he could lose it? Is he working? Retired? Unemployed? What is his background, who are his proud family? He may even know some of the young girls whose schools he frequents. There will be more to the story that will hopefully come out quickly with the hope of social media.

It's interesting that he has chosen to wear both secondary and primary school uniforms. It seems calculated to me. I agree with @lemmein it's intended to erode people's boundaries and what is seen as acceptable.

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