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To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

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crinklemum2 · 20/01/2023 08:35

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

OP posts:
Emotionalsupportviper · 20/01/2023 10:39

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 20/01/2023 10:28

Isn’t taking photos of other peoples children enough for the police to take action ?

You would have thought so, wouldn't you?

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 20/01/2023 10:40

Nocutenamesleft · 20/01/2023 10:17

Could he be a dad who is trying to make his daughter laugh?!? Like why have you gone straight for sexual perv and fetish?!?

Because most of us have bothered to read the various links and do a bit of thinking before responding!

FOJN · 20/01/2023 10:40

How have we got to this point? So fucking depressing.

By lumping erotic cross dressers in with people with gender dysphoria so they too can lay claim to being 'most oppressed' and any challenge to their inappropriate behaviour can be recorded as a hate crime.

Trans age is now becoming a thing, this bloke may be able to register to attend school before too long.

That's the downside of prioritising feelings over facts and material reality.

DarkShade · 20/01/2023 10:40

Ok, so I guess if the police are being useless, what we need is probably more social pressure and more exposure (on the story, please God not of the other sort). If we all wrote to the MP of the area it could show her that this is something to take seriously.

MP seems to be Anna Firt: members.parliament.uk/member/4936/contact

Have I got the location right, @crinklemum2 ? And is this something you would want?

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 10:40

Perhaps the handmaidens, apologists and the one living in cloud cuckoo land would like to look up the story of Michael Wilson from Hull. This is what happens when you let nonces do what they like.

whynotwhatknot · 20/01/2023 10:41

disgusting

as the police wont do anything i just hope he gets harrassed some kids can be very mouthy and for once i hope they are

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2023 10:41

gogohmm · 20/01/2023 10:36

The issue is though, what offence has he committed. Creepy isn't an offence unfortunately! He's not wearing clothes that are revealing, he's not acting in an overt sexual manner, you can see the issue the police have - all they can do is keep an eye on him.

Yes they could. They could stand a PC next to him. That PC could walk with him. The PC could sit with him on the bus. And stand outside his house. And wait there overnight, doing shifts with two other PCs. They could do this to prevent him committing a crime and to make a statement that this behaviour will not be tolerated. If they cared about women and children.

Instead the send PCs to women’s houses to ask them about tweets.

Chersfrozenface · 20/01/2023 10:41

Please, people, don't encourage the dads to do anything to this pervert.

Because it'll be the dads who get prosecuted.

And if he claims to be transgender (there is one report of someone speaking to him on a bus and his replying that he is transgender), then the dads will be treated even more harshly as any offence will be treated as a hate crime.

This could be the case even if they just spoke to him.

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 20/01/2023 10:41

gogohmm · 20/01/2023 10:36

The issue is though, what offence has he committed. Creepy isn't an offence unfortunately! He's not wearing clothes that are revealing, he's not acting in an overt sexual manner, you can see the issue the police have - all they can do is keep an eye on him.

Again... men with no connection to any pupil hanging round outside schools are usually presumed to be their for nefarious purposes and are moved on. If they persist there are all sorts of 'banning orders' that can be applied.

That is called safeguarding. Protecting kids against potential harm.

Wearing female school uniform should not be protection against the usual due process. But somehow it is!

Emotionalsupportviper · 20/01/2023 10:42

HRTQueen · 20/01/2023 10:32

I don’t want it left to one of the dads I want the police to do their job in protecting children

Same here = why should decent men trying to protect their children risk ending up with criminal records because of some nasty pervert?

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 20/01/2023 10:42

If this was a homeless man in a grubby Mac with long hair and unkempt clothing you can bet your bottom dollar he’d be moved on if he was hanging about outside a school.

MrsSkylerWhite · 20/01/2023 10:44

YetMoreNewBeginnings · Today 10:42
If this was a homeless man in a grubby Mac with long hair and unkempt clothing you can bet your bottom dollar he’d be moved on if he was hanging about outside a school“

Yep.

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 10:45

I think the biggest issue is that he is getting on the bus with the children and photographing them, what if he starts following them from the bus stop ?

Beamur · 20/01/2023 10:45

this would make me feel very uncomfortable - don't care for his clothing choice but it's where he's standing and his intentions that are a red flag
Actually it's the dressing up as a school girl that does tip this over into a massive red flag, it's a very deliberate breach of social norms. We can't tell what he is thinking of what he is going to do, but we can clearly see here is someone quite willing to break social taboos.
Cross dressing as an underage girl in public can really only have sexual connotations.
Would you let this person near your own children? I certainly wouldn't.

NettleTea · 20/01/2023 10:46

I wonder how many posters are aware that cross dressing is the number one paraphilia of sexual offenders.
So that in itself SHOULD be a big red flag, especially as the paraphilia in question is associated with children.

However, since cross dressing came under the flag of invincibility we are not allowed to talk about the sexually motivated cross dressers. Or the realms of porn associated with cross dressing.

A glance at the man in question's hard drive would determine quickly enough as to whether this is a sexually driven cross dresser who is deliberatly involving children in his fetish, or as many on this thread have excused, simply a gender bending eccentric who means not harm, and to whom we should simply ignore all of our gut feelings, and be kind

caringcarer · 20/01/2023 10:46

Weirdos and pervs about. Surely police could move him along.

JudgeRudy · 20/01/2023 10:48

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 20/01/2023 09:47

I’m far more worried about people whose instinct for danger seems to have eroded away. Perhaps that happens when they’re so open minded their brain falls out.

Yes, some people don't have such a 'strong' threat response but in the examples I've given, the first one is a certainty for harm, the second is statistically much higher than a man in an odd man in a dress. Most direct danger however is from people we know.

TheKeatingFive · 20/01/2023 10:48

Could he be a dad who is trying to make his daughter laugh?!?

Jesus, what kind of dad would do this to make his daughter laugh. 🤦‍♀️

Do you know of anyone? Please tell me you don't.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 20/01/2023 10:49

Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

WTF is wrong with today's police?

Are the 'types' infiltrating the Met not warning enough? Women are told to flag down a bus driver if they feel at risk, now THIS is being deemed 'no risk?'

There's no such thing as no risk. There is low, medium and high risk. This has 'high risk' with a klaxon, flashing red lights and bells on it.

The fetishists really have done a number on our society, if their 'quirks' are being normalised to the extent that women's and children's safety is viewed as collateral damage to the endgame of their getting their kicks. It's also dangerous in that if the law is not being seen to enforce that protection, people might start taking that responsibility into their own hands.

He's hanging around a school, FFS. What more warning do they need?

OvaHere · 20/01/2023 10:49

If a woman can be cautioned and moved on from praying outside an abortion clinic (which I agree with) then this man can and should be moved from the perimeter of a school.

Afaik the police can use things like public nuisance as a reasoning can't they?

Seems obvious to me he is a sex crime waiting to happen but understand that the police probably can't arrest him on that basis.

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 10:50

ElfHasBeenSilly · 20/01/2023 08:46

Jesus fucking Christ. I’d interpret that as sexual offending.

Yes. Of course YANBU, OP. I would be contacting the police to check how they think this isn't a fetish.

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 10:50

Yes frosty1000 it's the fact he's hanging around a school not what he's wearing that is the worry

alchemies · 20/01/2023 10:51

lovescats3 · 20/01/2023 10:50

Yes frosty1000 it's the fact he's hanging around a school not what he's wearing that is the worry

It's absolutely both. He's dressing as a child while having around a school ffs.

Why are so many women on here minimising?

JudgeRudy · 20/01/2023 10:51

Naunet · 20/01/2023 09:48

No evidence of this?!! Yes, it’s very normal for grown men to dress up as little school girls just for fashion isn’t it?! Don’t be so bloody naive.

I didn't say it was normal. I didn't say it wasn't fetishism. Read again

Leadbypencils · 20/01/2023 10:51

He appears to be testing the waters, to see how society and the police/schools react.

He knows that transgender bullshit is allowing this type of thing because of the FEAR amongst many of being castigated for any criticism of the poor disgusting nonce.

Time for action on behalf of the parents is NOW. If the police won't do it, well then the protection of children is in someone else's hands now.

Unless this is stopped, it will empower other perverts to do the same without fear of repercussion.

The fact that the lives and security of a school full of children is compromised for ONE entitled man says it all. Disgusting.

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