To think the misogyny directed at Madonna is grim

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Obviously Piers Morgan is a monumental arse but his attitude is typical of the misogynistic abuse directed at Madonna. She’s doing a world tour of her 40 years of greatest hits. Mick Jagger, Elton John etc are all also still touring into their 70’s and 80’s and that’s fine as they are ‘legends’ but Madonna, arguably one of greatest female artists ever is tragic and gets loads of abuse for how she dresses, what she wears, how much Botox she has, etc etc.

Total and utter misogyny.

You are way too invested in this.

Iggy Pop.

A few points:

I loved Madonna for years. Huge fan.
Of course there is huge misogyny aimed at her.
I don’t care about her flashing her bits at any age. I don’t think ‘urgh, gross!’ at a woman in her 60s expressing her sexuality.
I certainly don’t give a fuck what that hateful little twerp Morgan thinks.

But I don’t like Madonna in this era. Her music is off. I don’t find her to be ‘empowering’ for women or pushing boundaries or creatively exciting anymore. I feel like she sold out to the patriarchy entirely by buying into the plastic surgery and begging for social media likes. I feel sad that she didn’t manage to use her great power, wealth and influence to become something more than another Kardashian flaunting her arse on Instagram.

Maybe that truly does shows you what a misogynistic a world we live in? Not even Madonna can rise to the top of her game and feel valued by anything other than the male gaze.

It also isn’t misogynistic to point out that the level of surgery and filler she has had is grotesque. When you look like that it invokes a sort of disgust in most people. Come on, she looks like that Ken Doll trans person now!! It’s tragic.

She can, but she'll be ridiculed for it because it's not normal behaviour. At least it's not normal now, probably will be in 10 years time the way society is growing ever more sexualised.

He is vile, but she is also ridiculous. I’m sure there are other older female performers who haven’t had such drastic cosmetic surgery, flaunted it all on insta etc.
No-one should be getting their tits/arse out at 60, a man or a woman tbh! No-one needs or wants to see that.

But why can’t she do all of those things? She’s not hurting anyone, so why can’t she do exactly as she pleases?. You may not do those things but she wants to and that’s her right.

Is it because people are offended that a woman of her age is not acting like an “older woman” is supposed to, so should just fade out and become invisible as is the case for us women, as we age, because that’s is definitely how society trains us? Where as an older man is applauded for “ageing like a fine wine” or “what a silver fox he is” whilst women are criticised for letting their hair turn grey, chastised for the wrinkles and changing body shape.

As a woman you are damned if you do and damned if you don’t!

I can’t believe that the likes of Piers Morgan are still being taken seriously.He knows Jack shit about women, and definitely has no respect for them.

She's behaving as she's always behaved. I don't have a problem with that.

I do find it sad that she doesn't look like herself anymore - and there's a number of famous women I'd say the same about. Ultimately it's up to them what they get done, though if society was kinder to appearance of women as they get older that would be very much more positive than the current state.

I just think using endless filters to pretend that you look 20 when you're a mature, talented and wildly successful woman plays directly into the depressing reality that a woman's worth is still entirely defined by whether men still want to fuck them (and the belief that they will only want to fuck them if they do everything in their power to suppress or hide the ageing process)

With astronomical success generally comes mental illness and the adverse effects of being surrounded by yes people.

The other top selling performers of all time (Madonna is the only female in that group) eg bus, Michael Jackson etc have also had significant mental health issues and issues due to how your life becomes when you are incredibly famous, wealthy, you never hear "No " etc.

The Beatles are probably the only ones who haven't gone off their rocker, though John Lennon kind of did before he was murdered.

Most of them end up dead quite young. It's a testament to Madonna that she's still there at 60 something to be aging disgracefully.

She has always acted like this, she's not changed, that's just who she is. She is and will always be one of the most successful recording artists of all times and an icon. I don't think even this nonsense will ever change her legacy.

Anyway, yes Piers Morgan is a talentless wanker.

Im not sure that it's necessarily just "men".

She's always sold music to the younger depographkc of the population, ateotd she's a pop music performer. I think she's trying to stay relevant and current and down with the kids.

Unfortunately that currently means fillers, filters, selfies, SM etc.

*demographic

Madonna is also - seems to me anyway - a narcissist; and this is in line with that.

She probably would never have been so unbelievably successful if she wasn't a narcissist.

Piers Morgan always goes for low hanging fruit, easy targets ... However you like to phrase it.

Criticising (that word doesn't look right) women doesn't always equal misogyny. I actually think attributing every criticism of women as misogyny is misogyny itself. Women are full humans, allowed to be ridiculous and bizarre and ridicule worthy, which Madonna is, have you seen that picture she put out of her half under a bed, with fishnet stockings and crazy bum job on view. I may be evil but it made me laugh like a drain.

Well yes, but look at this thread. The misogyny lies in the nature of the criticism - the always-present different standard for women (and often how they age).

The misogyny lies in the entire industry that Madonna has been part of during her adult life, and the expectations therein. When she was younger, she was pushing boundaries with her sexuality. Now she's older, she should 'put it away.' Be smaller, be less, shut up.

It lies in the prejudice against women and the discrimination against them.

This thread is replete with words like 'vile,' 'disgusting,' saggy tits,' 'gross.' Madonna and all she has achieved is reduced to being a disgusting old woman who needs to shut the fuck up and stop being who she wants to be.

She IS using filters/fillers/whatever. Her reasons are own but are almost certainly tied into the hateful verbal abuse that is all over this very thread and the internet.

Criticism of women is not automatically misogynistic, of course. But often, it is. I'm not a Madonna fan, although I loved her early music, but I'm fucked if I'll stand by and listen to ANY woman being subjected to this awful chorus of cruel nastiness.

I've said it upthread: we either want women to be free to look and act as they wish, or we don't.

Dislike Madonna for whatever reason. It's obviously fine not to like someone. But when not liking someone translates as (not you, I know) posting comments dripping with malicious, sexist, ageist hate speak, that crosses a line.

I think if a man of similar age was going to similar lengths to get attention, especially from the Zoomer generation it would be just as cringe.

But then I have never been a big fan of Madonna, I just never found her original

As a mentioned earlier her behaviour to me is just very narcissistic, which I consider totally unsurprising because its par for the course in the entertainment industry.

The tour, mad pictures etc is also her (more likely her lawyers) very clever way of distracting attention from the fact she is getting investigated for child trafficking. She's fucking grim.

As a child of the 80s, now a woman on the wrong side of 40 - Madonna, and her behaviour doesn't 'speak' to me at all these days.

What she's doing these last few years is way off the mark IF it's meant to be empowering to women. Is it? I don't actually know. I mean there's no obligation for her to do so, but if she is just pleasing herself - folks gonna have their opinions ...

and she invites attention and opinion.

Having surgery to make yourself look younger, and going way too far, dressing and manipulating images of yourself to conform to a certain sexual stereotype specifically pleasing to the male gaze ... well at 64 it's going to invite ridicule i'm afraid.

If it was the 64 year old down the road posting pictures of her fishnetted arse hanging out from under a bed i'd be and the same goes when it's Madonna!

And the same would go, by the way, if it was the 64 year old MAN down the road.

As an aside, i feel like Madonna has been mid 60 something forever! 🤔😂

I just googled and expected her to be older tbh. Maybe i'm thinking of Cher. She's mid 70s i believe.

Madonna is quite within her rights to wreck her face, flash her arse and behave like a desperate old has been. Leave her alone, she gives me a good laugh! 😂

I think the same of her as I do someone like Katie Price. Just an absolute embarrassment and tries to create as much "shock factor" as possible to stay relevant. Her children must be absolutely mortified by her, she's an embarrassment.

You are right, she absolutely is. And I (and anyone else) is allowed to think and say she is a sad old twat with all the talent of melted creme egg.

I find it interesting she's flashing her arse at 64. Épater la bourgeoisie, and all that. But am more interested in - is that actually her arse? I have heard it is a product of butt implants. Odd implants, if so.