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Feel like a b!tch but I’ve had enough! AIBU?

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Dromerdary · 17/01/2023 14:12

The older I get, the more I just feel used by people. I purposefully keep my circle small for this reason.

A few years ago, I started a relationship with a long standing friend who had been there a lot for me. He had some issues and past trauma which appeared to affect his whole life, mainly his self esteem, and therefore his ability to earn. He practically moved in with me but maintained his own place, a room in a house owned by an older lady, somewhere he could have his kids on the weekends.

I never asked him for anything but accepted his offer to do DIY around the house as his ‘contribution’. Except he wouldn’t get round to it or would insist I be there to help rather defeating the point. There were other issues around his personal hygiene and how messy he was. I also started to feel frustrated that he would ask me to help him get his life on track but wouldn’t do anything to help himself. My DC started to resent him being there all the time.

I found it really difficult to break up because I was so worried about him coping on his own, but I found the courage to end things. Since then, he’s made excuses to visit - all of his stuff is here and he still has a key so sometimes he’ll come unannounced and then won’t leave for hours. My DC get cross with me when he’s here but he seems so upset and forlorn that it’s hard to tell him to go.

His landlady told him a while ago that he’d need to leave in a few months time because she had a relative moving in with her. They had a similar arrangement that he’d get reduced rent in exchange for DIY jobs that he clearly wasn’t doing because she told him he’d either have to start doing the jobs or she’d increase his rent. He hasn’t reacted well to this and is now sleeping in his car instead of staying there or either finding somewhere else to live or asking his siblings to help who both live locally. He hasn’t even told them we’ve broken up because he doesn’t want them to ask questions.

He messaged to ask if he could come over to use the shower so I agreed but of course he didn’t leave because he doesn’t want to go home. He was then asking if I could help him with his CV even though I already did that last year and I’m busy with other stuff. He kept bothering me so I was kind of being blunt and ignoring him. Then he asked if he could sleep in my bed for an hour so I snapped and told him I get it in the neck from my DC whenever he’s here. So he left, obviously upset and I feel bad because he’s probably going to sit in his car in sub zero temperatures for the next week instead of just sucking it up and staying at his landlady’s house until he finds somewhere else. He’s acting like he’s the only one to experience undesirable living conditions but I stayed for months with an abusive ex until we could get to safety. He has health issues that will be exacerbated by living in his car.

I normally go out of my way to help people but I’m just at the end of my tolerance because he has wasted this opportunity to get himself in a better position. I have offered him help with a job application and gently pushed him to ask his family for support. I’ve lost so much respect for him because he has a victim complex. I feel for him that he’s been dealt a difficult hand but he does nothing to improve his situation and is instead looking to me to make things ok for him. I’ve not had things easy either but have always just got on with it. I’ve also been lucky in some respects and I suspect he resents this as I hear the way he talks about other friends who have been helped by family.

I really hoped we could stay friends but I’m starting to feel like he’s emotionally manipulating me and is over reliant on my support. We set up a community group together and he’s adamant he wants to still run it together and feels it’s ‘half his’ despite me doing 90% of the emotional labour and planning.

Thanks for letting me vent. I feel like IBU to be so blunt but I don’t know how else to get him to stand on his own two feet. AIBU?

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bluegreygreen · 17/01/2023 22:30

OP, in what ways is this person 'kind' and 'thoughtful'?

He makes you uncomfortable by ignoring your boundaries.
You have broken up with him - why is he still appearing in your house? Why is he showering there and asking to sleep in your bed?
My friends don't turn up in my house without warning, and demand use of shower etc, let alone an ex partner

He is manipulative
He has lodgings - why can he not sleep and wash there? He doesn't need to sleep in his car.
If he has money to run a car, he can pay for a night in a Premier Inn/b&b until he gets sorted - if that were needed, but as he still has lodgings it's not.

He makes your children uncomfortable
A thoughtful person would understand that this is a difficult situation for the children, and not want to make it any more difficult for them.

Kind and thoughtful people try not to make life harder for those who have been good to them.

Godlovesall26 · 17/01/2023 22:32

Godlovesall26 · 17/01/2023 22:16

Did I say it was about me ? Threads are I would hope to get different perspectives.

And I did agree OP should change the locks, so I think I’m able to separate myself from OP, but thanks.

I agrée with not wanting to fix yourself. I work, I pay my bills, I’ve moved on to steady relationships. It’s been a huge struggle though and I was lucky in a way with my first partner.

OP’s bf sounds honestly like a sponger that maintains the stigma and it annoys me just as much.

I have no clue since it’s been hours and honestly can’t be bothered if you were were one of them, but there were definitely posts about avoiding broken people in general.

And I’m allowed not to love the tone of your response.

Godlovesall26 · 17/01/2023 22:34

Godlovesall26 · 17/01/2023 22:32

I agrée with not wanting to fix yourself. I work, I pay my bills, I’ve moved on to steady relationships. It’s been a huge struggle though and I was lucky in a way with my first partner.

OP’s bf sounds honestly like a sponger that maintains the stigma and it annoys me just as much.

I have no clue since it’s been hours and honestly can’t be bothered if you were were one of them, but there were definitely posts about avoiding broken people in general.

And I’m allowed not to love the tone of your response.

Ah edit impossible @AreOttersJustWetCats

Desertbarncat · 17/01/2023 22:34

You are not being unreasonable and actually need to set firmer boundaries because he will use you for as long as he can. Don’t let his situation emotionally blackmail you into allowing him more access. His choices have caught up with him, you are not responsible for his actions, do not feel bad for him. I guarantee you he will find someone else to use, he won’t be sleeping in his car for long. There are places (like gyms, truck stops and homeless shelters) he can shower at.

Abitofalark · 17/01/2023 23:22

[OP update]:
I'm going to ask for my key back next time I see him. It’s going to be harder to deny him things like a shower though. I have wondered about messaging his siblings but I know he would be really upset as he’s intensely private. Of course I care about him, but my priority has to be me and my DC.

I'm glad you are going to get your key back when you see him, rather than changing the locks. For one thing it's quite expensive to get a locksmith and I do not like to think of you having to shell out on account of him, and for another, it's good for you to be assertive and to start speaking straight and honestly to him and expecting the same back. Once you have asked for and got the key back, that tells him clearly that he cannot keep turning up and letting himself in and if he did not respect that he would be trespassing, even if he had got another key cut. That could get him into trouble.

When I responded to your opening post earlier, I meant to say that you should let his family know that he's sleeping in his car but I forgot. If he is mentally ill and not looking after himself well or is putting his health in further jeopardy by going to extremes, like sleeping in a car in winter, when he has a room, I would think the family ought to know that. He's private yes but not so private that he hasn't told you. Somehow you've been designated confidante and the one responsible for him. I'd definitely point that responsibility back towards the family. And they can't step in or exert any influence if they don't know.

Walkacrossthesand · 18/01/2023 06:38

'it's quite expensive to get a locksmith'... you don't need one to change locks on standard external doors! Screw fix sell replacement cylinder locks with keys starting at £12.

All you need is a tape measure and a screwdriver, and to watch a YouTube video, it's very simple. You'll need to take the existing one out to measure it, and put it back while you go to screw fix - they go in & out quite easily, usually. I replaced all the locks on a house I bought in the summer, and measuring for the right size was the trickiest bit - I tried to do it with the existing locks in place and was way out!

Riverlee · 18/01/2023 09:21

I’m a bit confused why it’s harder to deny him a shower? Just say no! You say in your opening post that he has lodgings (for a few months) so he can go and shower there. If the shower is broken, then he should contact his landlady to fix it. He also has time to arrange a new lodging.

spare rooms accomodation

This website may be a good starting point to find somewhere.

BusyMum47 · 18/01/2023 09:24

LaFemmeDamnee · 17/01/2023 14:16

Box up his shit and change the locks. He's taken the piss for far too long.

100% this! ⬆️

Your conscience is clear. Enough now.

Wellwell82 · 18/01/2023 09:27

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AreOttersJustWetCats · 18/01/2023 09:54

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Totally.

I'm guessing you paid for all food, utilities, any activities the two of you did together.... You say he's messy so so you were also his cook, cleaner and housekeeper, am I right?

And his contribution over a period of years was some promises of DIY, and he "even built a table".

There are lots and lots of people out there with PTSD and other MH difficulties, and the majority of them are finding ways to provide for themselves. Working for a living, paying their own way, doing their own chores. They go to the GP and try to access help for their conditions.

The reason he has only told you about sleeping in his car is because the fact that it's a secret makes you feel responsible. Hes exerting manipulative power over you. Take away that power by telling his siblings.

Wellwell82 · 18/01/2023 09:59

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MorrisZapp · 18/01/2023 10:04

Ladybug14 · 17/01/2023 15:46

OP - You say that you don't understand why he does this to himself

Well.... I don't understand why you're doing this to your children

You are putting him before your kids

Why?

This times a hundred. 'he's been dealt a bad hand in life', what, like growing up without security and firm boundaries? Break the cycle for your own kids, they can't do it for themselves.

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billy1966 · 18/01/2023 10:33

CuntyChopss · 17/01/2023 14:32

He’s acting like he’s the only one to experience undesirable living conditions but I stayed for months with an abusive ex until we could get to safety.
So your children have already experienced domestic violence and now you’re subjecting them to this, despite them being able to verbalise how uncomfortable he makes them in their own home?
No fucking words except those poor kids deserve better.

Your poor children.

You feel much greater loyalty to him and to your own ego than to do the right thing.

You have put this user ahead of your children.

When your children put EVERYONE ahead of you in future and have a lot of resentment towards you for putting this waster first, don't be surprised.

I certainly wouldn't blame them.

I don't think women like you or generous or kind.

I think they are women who put men ahead of their children.

You are VERY wrong.

ThreeblackCats · 18/01/2023 10:41

I think he needs more help than you can give him op.

Does he have any access to help with his mental health through his previous employer? I’m thinking if he is ex military or something like that then he can get some help.

You’ve had some great advice, I definitely recommend you start by changing the locks, or get him to change the locks and give him his stuff whilst he’s at it.

You seem a very caring type but you can’t let him run your life just because you’re too kind to say no. His life is not your problem. Time to put some distance between him and you.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 18/01/2023 10:47

Get him to change the locks? Really?!

Doesn't that defeat the whole object, in that it gives him an opportunity to take a key for the new lock?

This guy is highly manipulative and knows he's on to a good thing. He's not going to make it easy for the OP to cut him loose.

KettrickenSmiled · 18/01/2023 10:47

It is YOU that is annoyed with him and realising he’s using you and that you want it to stop - so why blame your children?

They might get annoyed too but you are deflecting your feelings which isn’t helping anyone, including him.

THIS, & everything else @toocold54 posted, is the nub of the situation.

OP - as a self-acknowledged people pleaser, the root of your difficulty is that you are unable to own your own feelings. Somebody taught you to suppress them, they they are not worthy of consideration, & that you must put other people first. I hope you take that to therapy, because when you get to the bottom of it, you will be able to free yourself from the learned behaviour that makes you put other people's wishes above your own, to your constant detriment.

The fact that you call yourself a bitch for getting to the end of a very worn & over-used tether with this man is directly related to this suppression of your true self. You are not a bitch. You are a woman who gave far too much to this man, was disgracefully used, & is now struggling to disentangle herself.

I hope you enjoy your freedom from him, & use all the energy you poured into trying to make his life better into therapy & learning, so that you can start to put yourself first sometimes. And please remember - your first duty is to your own mental health, & that means removing this man from your life, & now allowing him to Hoover you.
lonerwolf.com/hoovering/

You might also find this site useful, informative - even comforting. Because you will recognise some traits of this man here, but more importantly, it will help you 'translate' your own early life/family experiences to discover who instilled your own FOG (Fear, Obligation, Guilt - the triad of attitudes instilled in people pleasers by either personality disordered or unreasonable relatives/influencers in the victim's early life) - outofthefog.website/toolbox-intro

Saintasaurus · 18/01/2023 10:49

I definitely recommend you start by changing the locks, or get him to change the locks

wtf???

AreOttersJustWetCats · 18/01/2023 10:51

Also, he's been avoiding doing DIY for years why would suddenly do this job when he's been avoiding all the rest?

Bonkers. You think you've heard it all, and then MN proves you wrong.

KettrickenSmiled · 18/01/2023 10:52

Saintasaurus · 18/01/2023 10:49

I definitely recommend you start by changing the locks, or get him to change the locks

wtf???

IKR?!

Just what OP needs - a fraught interaction with an abusive guy who is already plotting how to Hoover his way back into her home & life ...

Imagine the hard time he'd give her over this. It's unbelievable that anyone would reckon this is a good idea.

Dromerdary · 18/01/2023 10:53

I know it can be easy to fill in the blanks when you don’t have the full story but he has genuinely experienced struggles most of us will never experience. He’s not a womaniser, user or bad person - he’s dealing with extreme trauma and PTSD and obviously not very well.

Things are complicated by the fact that we had a decades long friendship predating our relationship so I don’t feel like I ‘owe him nothing’. But, I do recognise that he is over reliant on me and yes, has made me his only confidant, I guess because he trusts me and I know things that nobody else does. It is too much pressure and as I’ve said before, my priority has to be my DC. So I am drawing a line as uncomfortable as it is.

To the PP who mentioned the friend who sounds similar and died by suicide, I think this is what will happen to my friend too eventually. We’ve had many deep and honest conversations in which he’s talked about not wanting to live. He has survivor guilt and doesn’t think he is worthy of help despite me trying to convince him otherwise, he doesn’t believe it himself. I think he’s only still here because of his children and credit to him, he’s a committed father. I recognise that I’m not responsible for him though and cannot force him to get the help he needs.

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EmmaDilemma5 · 18/01/2023 10:58

He needs to stop playing the victim. Yes he had a hard time, yes, people helped him out because of that, but now he needs to dig deep and get out of his comfort zone.

Perhaps he's the type of person who needs to hit rock bottom before he finds the strength and motivation to change.

You don't owe him anything. I would also change the locks and explain that you can no longer carry him, your kids come before him. He needs to learn to take responsibility for himself.

Dromerdary · 18/01/2023 11:00

I am considering therapy for myself as well. I recognise that I have issues stemming from abuse. This last year or so in particular, I’ve learnt a lot about trauma, developmental trauma, the patriarchy and socialisation of women and girls and how this affects my behaviour and beliefs. I know I’m still a doormat following years of conditioning, but I am waking up to it and finding my voice and my will for things to be different for my own girls.

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AreOttersJustWetCats · 18/01/2023 11:02

doesn’t think he is worthy of help

And yet he has been very happy to accept help from you and from his landlady. And is still expecting you to provide that help.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 18/01/2023 11:03

His words say one thing, his actions say quite another.

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